Corona Virus Update

It will be 8,000 by the 20th. Right now, on the 17th, in the afternoon, it's 5,723

The curve is exponential. Because we were so late in doing serious testing in the USA, we are now at a severe disadvantage in slowing the onslaught that is going to come.

 

Your right T says some are taking it serious which for the most part is total BS. Then we get the "models" guessing at deaths, please models are based on assumptions then tiyng that to data to get a magic number. We don't know what we don't know at this point so it's worthless to try to tie a model to an argument.

 

I care. If you think we're going to snap right back everything that the US fought for back into place, governments never give freedoms that they take away back.

 

What do you take from that percentage of Americans dying?

 

I enjoy most of your post and agree with a big part of them but on this I think your POV is wrong.
Your putting the system above the people. The system is there to serve us not the other way around. No sane people would chose the stock market over his or his familly welfare. If Capitalism and democracy crashes and burn because of a pandemic, then maybe it wasn't the best system to keep us safe.

Also, sorry to be the one to tell you this but the USA "experiment" was never, ever about freedom and liberty. It was about power and only about power. For all the great prose of the bill of rights and the constitution, you never ever had freedom and liberty for all just like every other nation on earth. What you had is easy access to ressources and an easilly defendable position being isolated from europe and Asia by two ocean. You're on top today because you've profited from two world wars where your direct competitor over spent themselves trying to preserve their geopolitical standing.

And now, you're doing the same thing that the euro did last century and have over spent and over reached to preserve that sacrosaint 1st position on the geopolitical standing. You also elevated capitalism to a religion and now that you've outsourced/sacrificed most of the manufacturing, even of strategical materials, to the altar of stock holder profits, you're now ****ed! If china and india cut you out you'll have a hell of a time manufacturing the medecine needed to cure this disease.

 

I agree with you on a lot of that. But I speak not of capitalism(which is a form of monetary policy. The conflation of monetary and political policy is a tragic element of the American political system.) I speak of our social political policy. What this has done, is it has invaded the American way of life. Our freedom of expression, our freedom of speech and gatherings has been halted by this thing.

We've fought(questionably or not) for this unalienable rights, just to surrender them to Dr. Farsi. And hey, if he's right then props to him. But the cost of living, that the government now demands of us is the same cost Thomas Paine was not willing to pay.

 

So much for that strategy, hahaha - wicked stupid to expect voluntary social distancing from teens and tweens of *any generation*

https://www.chron.com/life/article/...t-Aransas-despite-15136897.php#photo-19178767



Fuhgeddaboudit my Gen X Captain Trips obsession: Boomer Remover! Gotta love it!

 

Just a question where are you from?

 

No it isn't.

 

Just a question, why does it matter?

 

Really? So you mean that the restrictions placed upon the American people during WWII were never lifted? Really?

 

You're presently expressing yourself freely, even more so than you could 25 years ago. You are also presently attending a gathering on this very web site. Physical presence is optional in the 21st century.

What you must understand is that even without a pandemic, the health system is already at 100% capacity. This is because it doesn't make economical sense to spend ressources and money keeping hospital beds empty or operating rooms not used, hence why there's a sense of urgency in most of the world to mitigate the contagion factor by drastic measure because there's no way the current health services, paid or public, can cope with even 5% more people getting to the ER. You just can't snap your fingers and have an extra 100 rooms with doctors and nurses pop into existence. This is our "just-in-time" mentality at play here.

 

No it doesn't. It spreads like any other flu spreads.

7,800 deaths compared to 250,000-700,000 annual deaths is not very many. It's hardly killing anyone.

True. So?

False. You clearly do not know how the immune system works.

 

If true, so?

gfm7175

 

It took us about a decade after the fact to end conscription(which was arguably the worst thing that came from WW2). When governments start noticing: "Hey, look how easy it is to herd people up", you'll wish we had been more defensive of our liberties and rights earlier when we had the chance.

 

Would my present location invalidate any of the point I made?

 

Still,thus far this year we have had over 30,000 DEATHS due to
the flu.Around 35,ooo last year.As high as 79,ooo some years.
Worldwide the Death total from Corn Virus is around 7,500.
Around 90 in this Country.
So explain the big deal.Less than 2 deaths per state in almost 3 months.
How many Millennials died from the Opiode crisis the last few years.
This Pandemic was man-made for exploitation.

 

This guy Sinclair is a Harvard Professor and an authority on aging and longevity research.

Well worth following his twitter account if you're into health and fitness like me.

Dude just posted a lot of great info about the virus a few hours ago (3/17)...

https://twitter.com/davidasinclair

 

So no answer, I also like to know one's country of origin before responding to blabbing about America's history and shortcomings. If you don't want to tell then I won't waste my finger muscles because it literally makes no difference. One thing I will say is that if you think China or India would cut us off your forgetting their countries would die financially if they did, we know it and so do they. That being said, I'm all for becoming more self reliant from those countries and one thing America is the best in the world at spinning up businesses to offset shortfalls elsewhere, we would survive and we would eventually thrive from that foolish decision.

 

It is a big deal because the fatality rate itself, and not the total fatality is around 10 times higher than the influenza flu. It is also a big deal since it is rapidly rising in cases and total fatalities globally.

 

Also without even a partially effective vaccine for antigenic matching (epitopes) we have not way to prevent on a wider scale.

And:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...e-deadly-the-death-rate-explained/ar-BB10MWug

 

The seasonal flu has a R0 of ~1.2. This has a R0 of 2-3.2.

That is 7800 deaths in the span of a few months at a growth rate which is accelerating. And are you really trying to compare three months worth of mortality data from this virus to all annual deaths, regardless of source?

That makes this virus objectively more dangerous.

You can not form the antibodies to a virus unless you have been exposed to that virus or those antibodies have been introduced into your body artificially.

 

So did The Greatest Generation complain.Of course not.The entire
country save the Commie Elites - Saboteur - { 1942 } were bending over
backward to do anything to contribute to the war effort.Woman working
in our War Factories.Celebrities out busily selling war bonds.Or working
with the USO to entertain our Troops.Look at all those War Movies of the
40's and 50's.Plus the number of Men who were more than glad to enlist
after pearl Harbor.
Jimmy Stewart had to lie { fudge } on his Physical due to his being
underweight.Flew over 20 combat missions and had to be talked into
doing - It's a Wonderful Life - { 1946 } by Lionel Barrymore { Mr. Potter }
due to thoughts of giving up an acting career.He was so moved by
the effects of War.Without Conscription we might have lost WW II
and the United States would end up like maybe a Big version of Cuba.

 

You have zero credibility or credentials on this subject or any other subject. Please refrain from spreading conspiracies or at a minimum, take your conspiracies to the appropriate thread.

 

Seconded.