Trump can still halt the panic.

You should know more and listen to less Fox News.

 

Ah, so you are one of those people that makes assumptions. You are wrong on both points.

Triaging IS making decisions about who will receive treatment (and live) and who does not.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/

 

The error you are making is that it's the fault of universal health care. Germany has it's version as well and has a far far lower fatality rate than even the US has. It's a false correlation.

 

What it says that limited care, such as UHC, will decide who gets treated and who doesn't. While Germany may have less infection (I haven't checked the rates) the system is more able to address the pandemic when the case rate is lower. When the system gets overloaded, the system fails. This came from a quick search. https://stsievert.com/blog/2020/03/14/covid-19/

 

Germany has 1000 more confirmed cases, was infected before the US and only has 44 deaths compared to over 200 in the US. And do you think, be honest with yourself, that in the US if it comes down to between someone with insurance or someone without insurance who gets the last respirator it'll be first come first served or even who has the better chance of survival? Someone is going to be making that call if there's UHC or not.
Here's hoping that thanks to the NBA and the NCAA who led the way it won't come down to that.

 

Are you trying to imply that Obama would have stopped the worldwide quarantine? Cmon, your attempt to make this about Obama and Trump is silly.

 

Nobody can stop the spread, all we can do is slow it to the point of being manageable. Obama did quell any panic by being open and honest about it. That is something Trump is slowly coming into. He's still having trouble with the whole be honest and America will thank you thing.

 

You missed my point. You are trying to pretend like the difference in panic is because of whom is the President, when in reality, from a global perspective, everything is far different about this situation. The rest of the world was not shut down with H1N1. If the rest of the world was shut down because of H1N1, there would have been panic here too and undoubtedly we too would have been shut down. Obama or Trump has not one thing to do with that. Please stop grasping at straws and trying to pretend like this is about Trump. If anything, the biggest difference is that Trump halted travel from China, which surely has saved a lot of cases/lives here, and was a move that Obama would have never made. As far as panic however, it is being driven globally, not necessarily by the United States.

 

And what decides who gets care under the private mess you call a health care subsystem in the USA?

 

Errrr

Nope!

He basically locked the barn door after the horse had bolted then refused to even look for the horse for weeks by which time it had eaten all the crops. kicked the house down and shagged all the sheep

 

This may have major implications for America’s healthcare system as it buckles under with the homeless and poor who live in crowded conditions and then so many are going to lose income and with it healthcare insurance.......

 

Usually FIFO, as long as doctor's aren't overwhelmed. Then the overflow from hospitals go to clinics, immediate care facilities, and private practitioners. The resources is the difference.

The US healthcare system is far from perfect, but it's better than a system who blackmails you into deciding if your child gets care, or you get care in the future.

 

It's the Lame Stream media with 24/7 coverage of the virus that is whipping the populace into a frenzy. They didn't do this with the Biden/Obama H1N1 Swine flu that came out of Mexico and there was no panic, they didn't close the southern border either. If Trump is to halt the panic, he would have to shut down CNN, MSNBC and I'm sorry to say Fox News.

 

That's about all he did. His wait and see attitude in conjunction with his failure to close the southern border resulted in 12,000 deaths. The H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico, why wouldn't he close the border and restrict travel and goods coming from the country of origin is beyond me.

 

Again with the Mexican border. The novel H1N1 originated in California. It's precursors may have been from Mexico but it is likely it made the jump to humans via birds and I defy you to tell me how you're going to close a border to birds. And what wait and see are you talking about? That's just preposterous.

 

Then how do you account for the reality that of all major nations, we currently have the lowest death toll per 1 million residents?

 

The first case was in Veracruz Mexico and spread from there.

 

Italy has a heaslth care system that has consistently been rated highly by WHO and others.

The problem they faced is that their hospitals simply got overwhelmed.

We should see that as an example of what could happen here. There is NOWHERE where our experts predict that we have sufficient hospital beds, equipment, trained medical staff, or supplies.

As Boris Johnson of UK has figured out, there IS more than we can do - we're just not doing it.

BTW, attacking the message on what we need is not good enough. If we need it, we need it - regardless of who is president.

 

Experts say that blocking travel may have been a good idea back before we have cases in every state.

After that, it has to do with our internal response, as our contact is going to be with each other and the rate of spread is nonlinear.

 

I am not concerned about what is happening in Italy, the U.K., China, or Iran. We don't know what the conditions are like in those countries. My entire focus is what is happening in the U.S.

That's where I live.

The politicians use Italy to scare us and they are not presenting the facts to us. They offer Italy as a reason for destroying our once great economy.

 

I mentioned UK, becauuse they figured out how to take action in a way that we have ignored.

Here in America we're still hearing that Trump's recommendations may be ignored!!! As of Friday (if not later), right wing media programming has stated that this is all just a Democratic plot against Trump.

I don't believe you are listening to what I've said - not because I think you are wrong, but because your posts don't address the issues I point to.

Beyond that, the idea that we don't know what's going on in these other countries is really pretty nutty. We have strong connections with their leaders, their hospitals, their news media, etc. That's how we ALWAYS get our information and there isn't any reason to suspect that has changed.

Some of these stories are even uplifting. In Vo, Italy, they tested every individal and segregated those found positive. Since then, they have had ZERO new cases.

 

In the plus side he has finally accepted to not shake hands .
On the minus side he still keeps lying to us to make things look better. Telling us that drugs have been approved for treating the virus only to have scientists say that there were drugs with anecdotal evidence as possibly useful but far from approval does not help. It makes him look like he's grasping at straws.
I think he'd be surprised how well people react to being told the unvarnished truth.

 

To date from what I can find there have bee 154 deaths from Corona virus. The death toll in Italy is over 2000. Where would you rather be?

 

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Watch CNN or PMSNBC for 1 hour, it's Corona Virus scare 24/7. They never did that with H1N1 Mexico virus and Obama/Biden never shut the border of stopped travel to Mexico. Likely why the death toll was 12,000+.