Trump can still halt the panic.

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  1. StillBlue

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    Panic on Wall Street. Panic buying by shoppers. These can lead to worse as the spread intensifies and deaths mount.
    Much has been made that there was no panic during the H1N1 crisis. Too often the blame has been placed on the press, that it was less doom and gloom then. But let's look at it.
    Obama got in early reassuring the population. His first speech given when there were only 20 case globally stressed that there was a threat and we needed to be vigilant and follow common sense rules, sneeze into your sleeves not your hands, stay home if you're sick, have a plan for if someone in your household becomes sick, wash your hands frequently. At this point there was no great spread of the disease but he made Americans feel empowered, that they could do something to protect themselves. He also stressed that it was American doctors and scientists that would be at the forefront. Americans had faith that the best and the brightest were on the job. As Barney Fife would say he nipped it in the bud and doom and gloom never had a chance.

    Fast forward to today. Trump needs to give people the confidence that while it may be bad it will be as limited as possible. There's no candy coating it, but every time Trump uses words like perfect, extraordinary, great and usually referring to himself when he does, we know he's lying and just trying to paint a pretty picture. Don't minimize the danger. When he does that his fan base goes out and undoes everything that others workd and sacrificed for by completely ignoring the danger rather than be vigilant. We all need to be vigilant for this to work.

    It's about us not Trump. He needs to stop making speeches about himself, about how amazed scientists are at how smart he is and that maybe he should have become one himself since he was such a natural. He needs to get out there and thank others. He should be all over applauding the NBA and NCAA for getting the ball rolling with some momentum. They showed that it was about the safety of their fans first and profits after. Many others have followed suit. Scientists and doctors should be at the front not in the background so we know that the best and the brightest are on the job and it isn't just thoughts and prayers.

    Stop blaming others. Whether true or not, what previous administrations did does not change the fact that in the here and now he is supposed to take responsibility. Go forward. You can't change the past but you can correct the mistakes.

    Stop being all over the map. Have someone write your speeches. Have them vetted for accuracy and then stick to them. When you give a speech followed immediately by that's not what I/he meant tweets and press releases it does not exactly give the impression of someone on top of things. No flights from Europe. Americans can fly. No cargo. Cargo can come. Flights from UK exempted. No flights from the UK. All within 48 hours.

    Set an example. For goodness sake, stop insisting on doing the things like shaking hands that we're trying to get people to stop doing! When the vaccine becomes available he is in the high risk group and he should go to a senior center and get vaccinated publicly. True, Obama waited but it was because he wasn't in the high risk group for H1N1. Children and pregnant women were first in line. When the vaccine started shipping by the tens of millions and was available to all he got vaccinated because the more who got vaccinated the less the spread.

    If Trump doesn't do these things look for Mad Max on our streets before this is over. TP is the beginning, food, water, fuel, generators, guns and more will join the list.
     
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    The comparison is not even close. The H1N1 never caused trillions of dollars of events to cancel. Every sport, every concert, every ceremony, every restaurant, every retail store etc cancelled or closed. Millions unemployed, millions unsure as no definitive time frame. And this is in the pre stage of the infection.

    The H1N1 exposed everything that today’s medical experts say shouldn’t occur. Medical experts want a gradual climb and not a spike in the infection rate. The H1N1 spiked like no other. Medical experts don’t want a mass spread of the disease. The H1N1 infected as many as 89 million Americans. Medical experts say we can’t overload our healthcare workers. The H1N1 hospitalized over 400,000 Americans. Medical experts want to keep the death toll at a minimum. As many as 18,000 American deaths were contributed to the H1N1.

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    CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1.
     
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    I think he is doing a great job. Once again, liberals are just running around screaming “orange man bad!”, or something along the lines of “why didn’t trump singlehandedly defeat Coronavirus?”

    If he did more, Dems would scream he was overreacting.

    If he did less, they scream he hadn’t done anything, and had just been playing golf since the virus struck.
     
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    A word salad that says nothing. The media and Trump haters are stoking panic. Facts are facts and the fact is this is more of an effort to make a bad situation worse.
     
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    Without social distancing, the statistics you cite from H1N1 over a year period would have occurred in the US with regard to the Coronavirus over a much shorter time span (few months). That much shorter time span would wreck both the economy and health care system much worse than you imagine. And the deaths resulting from it would make the stats from H1N1 look like something to wish for regarding this virus.

    Let me put it to you this way: governments all over the world, not just the US (whose restrictions are, along with those in Iran, are still very lax) have instituted stringent measures. It doesn't matter what politics you subscribe to: whether you look to Germany, Italy, China, Israel or whoever (except the UK), you will find the response to be very different than how they responded to the H1N1 virus. There must be a reason for it and that reason isn't some secret cabal of 'globalists' working in unison to grab power!
     
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    He doesn't need to do more.

    He said the pandemic will go away on its own when the weather gets warmer.
     
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    He said, she said... quit whining, will yea? Trump is doing just fine.
     
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    58% of Americans have another opinion about that.
     
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    I think not. If Omar is any indication, many Democrats will too vote to reelect Trump.
     
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    Obama never made me feel empowered.

    Boy oh boy you guys are sick but not from this virus.
     
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    Hilarious.

    The people who have been trying to instill as much fear and panic in this country as they possibly can are bleating about how Trump can stop the panic. Once again, we're reminded that self-awareness and introspection aren't "progressive" traits. :lol:

    Question: Would telling the fear-mongerers on the Left to calm the hell down and shut the **** up stop the panic?

    Answer: No, because they're not the least bit interested in stopping the panic that they themselves have been stoking...
     
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    If nothing else, 'we're all gonna DIE!' instills a feeling of peace, calm and friendliness to our neighbors, eh?

    The media are the ones instilling the panic. If people would stop acting like they never had common sense, perhaps the rest of us who refuse to panic, might still be able to buy our weekly supply of TP, bread and milk.
     
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    Perhaps the real lesson is watching what is currently happening when the world stops to take the advice of the medical world. As in, the world stops. Business stops, industry stops. Government then enforces these stoppages, and we wait. And in the interim, business will likely fail, industries that had been strong will find it hard to start up again, and then what? Perhaps the outbreak will be mitigated, but then what? Will there be food? Will there be distribution services able to put food where folks live? There are tons of ramifications here. Not the least of which is the effect that these kinds of events will have on even wanting to participate in the global community. Why would one want to continue when it was that very participation that ultimately lead to the thing that stopped the world in the first place? Those are deep ethical questions that now we will need to evaluate, going forward, to address what the future will hold for us.

    The truth is that this stoppage isn't going to effect the world equally. Likely, what is already happening in terms of places like African nations not renewing their servitude to Chinese interests for example, will happen elsewhere. Nations will have to take stock to determine just how willing they will be in the future to allow their existences and lives to be so utterly devastated by the interactions they have with nations that have caused them so much harm. There will be places, like the US, perhaps parts of the EU, perhaps Australia/NewZealand, that will recover, quickly. and perhaps the more agile economic models of these nations will allow them to rebuild faster, and become more self reliant going forward. But that certainly doesn't bode well for the rest of the world. And as we have these conversations, it's important for us to not lose sight of the power of simple human emotion to obstruct logic, or grandiose marketing that would perhaps interest the developed world to reach back out.

    To put a superfine point on it. Perhaps the under developed nations of the world are going to be the real losers here. Unable to find the funds to develop their countries absent foreign investment what will they turn to? China has been super aggressive in attempting to lock up the know world reserves of rare earth minerals. I doubt they will continue to find an eager audience anymore. More, for many of these nations, figuring out that perhaps self reliance is better for them, might be the spark they really needed all along. Could this be the positive side of this current upheaval?

    Time will tell, and I remain hopeful that as we, in the US turn back to self reliance, that our example will find its purchase elsewhere. And peace, created once again by some distance, will help us heal.
     
  16. Arkanis

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    Because you believe that those who are dissatisfied with this President (58% of voters) are waiting for him to finally act like a real Head of State?
     
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    Because the TDS Sufferers who have been trying to instill as much fear and panic in this country as they possibly can are bleating about how Trump can stop the panic.
     
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    I think there's something you're missing.

    The vast majority of Americans are well aware that Trump cannot reduce panic.

    The only thing he knows how to do right is to create controversy, insult people on Twitter and brag about imaginary achievements.

    Again this morning, in the middle of a press conference on the pandemic, he found time to explain that he had no responsibility for the market meltdown and that without the virus, there would never have been a recession.

    He said that without his measures to reduce the red tape, the government would never have been able to act so quickly.

    The guy is totally out of touch with reality.

    Apart from the Trumpsters, no one cares about his justifications.

    In any case, the country has only eight months left to endure this clown.
     
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    Panic is far more contagious than the virus. Compared to the opposition, Trump has been the voice of reason. Whoodda thunk!
     
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    That's right.

    As Trump said three weeks ago, the cases are declining and will soon be zero. And then he said the virus will be eradicated when the warm weather returns in April.

    So we're good.

    In a month's time, this pandemic will be exposed, as our President has said: a hoax from the Democrats.
     
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    Au contraire...

    I made it clear in Post #13 that he cannot reduce panic in the people who insist on panic, most notably the TDS Sufferers who have been insisting on panic more than anyone else in our country.

    :bored:

    My wife works at a securities firm and her and her colleagues aren't blaming Trump for the market meltdown, so obviously they know something you and the people who are spouting similar talking points don't. Furthermore, we're not in a recession but if we do go into one it will be on account of the virus. The economy was doing fine before the outbreak.

    Reducing red tape does expedite the government's ability to respond. Our governor did the same thing to expedite the state's response.

    I don't think it's Trump who is out of touch with reality...

    I don't care about his opponents' bitching and moaning, yet here we are...

    Worry about your own back yard, Canuck. Your PM is a joke.
     
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    He never said it was a hoax, your case is so weak you have to resort to lying.
     
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    Canada is rated AAA by the rating agencies, AA+ for US. Canada's public debt stands at 89% of GDP (105% for the US). We therefore have much more room for an economic recovery plan.

    We have universal health care, an unemployment rate of 5.6% and our homicide rate is five times lower than yours.

    The chances that the crisis will hit us harder than you are 0%. As was the case in 2008, by the way.

    Our PM is not perfect, of course, but Trudeau is not the laughingstock of the world, like Trump.

    In fact, Trudeau took drastic measures long before Trump to reduce the chances of contagion of the virus. That's why we have proportionately 35% fewer sick people than you.
     
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    Try as I might I can't find any of these drastic measures that your ridiculous PM took long before Trump. In fact, it appears that Trump took more drastic measures before Trudeau did:

    Coronavirus: no drastic measures from Ottawa
    March 13, 2020
    https://www.en24.news/c/2020/03/coronavirus-no-drastic-measures-from-ottawa.html

    2020 coronavirus pandemic in Canada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Canada


    Obviously, you need to be lighting your hair over your own government's no so drastic, not so long before Trump response to the CoronApocalypse that's got you and your ilk in a panic.

    We'll be fine - worry about yourselves and your silly leader...

     
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    Italy has 'universal health care'. It's so good, they've suggested to let the elderly who get sick, just let them die.

    Be it that Canada remains on the low side of the virus, I don't wish it on anyone.

    Canada is 1/10 +/- the population size of the United States. Your unemployment should be lower.
     

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