I'm getting my Moderna vax this week, and I thank OBAMA

Because you accused Trump who never did spy on Americans, of doing so.

 

I think you may have misread one of my posts. No biggie. Easy to read to fast trying to catch up on long threads.

Anyhow, I actually defended Trump against what I thought was an accusation against him...i later realized they were referring to Obama.

See post #81.

 

You'd have to be smitten by blind faith to think Obama wasn't in the middle of the project. Consider:
- Obama presided over the H1N1 pandemic that sickened 60 million Americans;
- Obama was consumed by his conspiracy theory that the medical insurance industry cheated Americans due to corporate greed;
- Obama imposed the Federal Government on 16% of the US economy because of his conspiracy theory;
- Obama was under intense budgetary pressure due to Obamacare and the Stimulus;
- The state department had to be involved.
Launching a new project that funds international agencies in a domain that was of particular interest to Obama was squarely in Obama's wheelhouse. I don't believe he would have handed it off, no questions asked.

 

ONE MORE TIME.......

In response to Pfizer's spokeswoman Jerica Pitts' public statement; “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible''

YOU SAID; ''Because President Trump committed to 180,000,000 doses which have been paid for as they are shipped. Easy to self fund when you have the funds rolling in.......''

Well, any above average intelligent poster would conclude that your response to Jerica Pitts' public statement is NONSENSICAL, due the the fact, A PAYMENT UPON DELIVERY OF GOODS, wasn't the money Pfizer used to finance its vaccine's late stage developent, and the cost of manufacturing their first batch, thus, THINK BEFORE YOU POST............ ''what certainly defrayed the cost of Pfizer's late stage development, and the cost of manufacturing their first batch were the CASH ADVANCES they received from NUMEROUS COUNTRIES, Period!''

AND Mr. Bluesguy, judging from your posts, you've developed an art of writting deception, for example; you make matters look much better, or much worse than they are, and in an effort to glorify Trump/Republicans, or in an effort to discredit the Democrats.

Now, setting partisan politics aside, like I always do, what strikes you about (a.) and (b.);

a. Bush managed to reduce the deficit to $160 billion, and the House/Senate Democrat majority increased it to $1.4 trillion

b. Trump increased the deficit from $587 Billion to an estimated $1.1 billlion

ME first;

a. The deficit increased during a recession.........nothing strikes me here, generally, the deficit increases during a recession, and back then, we had a financial crisis followed by the worst recesssion since the Great Depression.

b. To my knowledge, Uncle Sam has never doubled the deficit 3 years prior to a PEAK/highest point in a business cycle, and according to Trump; “This is the greatest economy that we've had in our history, the best.”.........Thus, this one is a WOW factor.

LAST, I congratulate HIS Administration for Operation Warp Speed, and the reasons why I didn't/won't emphasize Trump is because I don't like braggarts, his rhetoric, lies and deceptions.

 

In addition to the above......

MY QUOTE; ''what certainly defrayed the cost of Pfizer's late stage development, and the cost of manufacturing their first batch were the CASH ADVANCES they received from NUMEROUS COUNTRIES, Period!''

Anticipated response from Bluesguy; ''So, I was right.....the cash advances Pfizer received from TRUMP defrayed the cost of Pfizer's late stage development of their vaccines, and the cost of manufacturing their first batch''. Therefore, contrary to what Pfizer's spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said; “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible'', TRUMP and his Operation Warp Speed did in fact funded Pfizer's vaccine development''. In other words, Trump deserves credit for the development of the Pfizer's vaccine.

Bluesguy, I know your brain so well...............

6 years ago, my employer paid me a retaining fee. Back then, I almost jump ship so the speak.

According to Investopedia, A retainer fee is an amount of money paid upfront to SECURE the services of a consultant, freelancer, lawyer, or other professional.

Thus, the question is; Last July, how much money Trump was willing to pay to SECURE his ''American First'' vaccine doses, and why?

Why? ''American First'' VERSUS ''CANADA/UK/EU First''

 

Gosh. Let us know when you can actually be funny. The sad part is that your attempt here suffers from both trying to derail the conversation and failing to be funny at all. There are actual funding lines in the NIH that Obama used to fund the research in Wuhan. Why be dishonest about that?

 

Except the delivery was paid in advance...

 

So you're defending them, Chiner and the WHO for withholding the fact provided to them from Taiwan that that the Covid-19 was indeed spreading human to human in December 2019 and gave it 20+ days of international travel to spread..

Loyalty acknowledged.. All hail Xi and the WHO!! Bad world for letting themselves be fooled and infected!!!!

 

Trump hid the dangers of covid too. Him and Xi have much in common.

 

AND NOW, in reference to; TRUMP deserves credit for the Pfizer's vaccine development, due to the fact "WE GAVE THEM CASH''.

Well folks, this analogy could be the final nail in the coffin;

Let's assume MALARIA is contagious......BREAKING NEWS; 15 Americans were hospitalized, patients complained about headache, muscle aches, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea...........Next day, test results reveal MALARIA..........Mr. President, a pandemic may unfold.

TRUMP; I need to stockpile 332 million hydroxychloroquine tablets right fooooken now........Trump calls Big Pharma

Big Phama; Mr. President, we've sold out!

TRUMP; What do you mean by ''we've sold out''

Big Phama; EU Government just bought the whole stock

TRUMP; When will your next batch be available?

Big Pharma; According to our production schedule, 75 million tablets before the end of this month

Big Pharma; But Mr. President, I must warn you that the UK and the Canadian Government also want to place an order, near 150 million tablets, thus, approx. two months of production, AND Boris/Trudeau were more than willling to give me cash advances.

TRUMP; Well, foooook them! Here's my ''American First'' offer to secure 332 million tablets;
TRUMP; 332 million X $6 a tablet = $1.99 billion
TRUMP; I'll wire you $1.9 billion today! Deal or no deal?

Big Pharma; It's a deal

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QUESTIONS;

1. Will TRUMP be credited for defraying the cost of Big Pharma's production?

or,

2. Will TRUMP be credited for saving lives?

Anticipated answers from above average intelligent posters; He will be credited for saving lives

Anticipated answers from the below average intelligent posters; He will be credited for defraying the cost of Big Pharma's production.

The End

 

They do!

Both have downplayed Covid19

 

Ya I've read/heard that defensive posturing from the left in defense of Chiner, Fact remains if Chiner and the WHO would have took the Taiwan warning seriously and stopped travel in and out of Chiner the WORLD would have had better then TWENTY days to make far greater restrictions and decision at the very beginning.. But they chose to allow it to spread to every corner of the planets, and the left seem to think once the planets was infected Trump or any other leader had a chance to stop it..

Again loyalty duly noted... All hail XI, hand of death!

 

Trump knowing how dangerous the virus was while lying to the American people that it was no big deal has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHINA. NOTHING. And as I stated, it is almost exactly what Xi himself did but you conveniently overlook, deflect, obfuscate, ignore and whataboutism for Trump. Hyper partison much?

Of course China lied. They have been lying to western civilaizations for centuries. I would have expected people would know that. At least that is what I thought until I saw Trump was tweeting love notes to Xi about how great they were handling the virus. I mean really; how naive can a person be?

What a disgrace.

 

You avoid facts and history Trump along with the entire world followed the reports from the WHO and Chiner, that's a fact. The WHO and Chiner refuted the Taiwan warning that COVID was being transmitted human to human for better then 20 days, that too is a fact..

Once you get that straight you will then realize TWENTY plus days of international travel to and from Chiners and the spread rate of this virus you will understand how it became a pandemic and deadly so quick.. Beyond what I have posted is simply nonsense and pointing finger at everyone but the people that had the VERY best opportunity to SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW the spread down..

Again loyalty duly noted! All hail Xi international spreader of COVID 2019

CHINER knowing how dangerous the virus was let it spread world wide, JFC..

 

And Trump believed them lol. A sucker is born every minute.

I am not disagreeing that China let the virus spread in the early days. December of 2019 I think? Yes I agree.

This has nothing to do with the fact that in Feb of 2020 Trump knew how dangerous the virus was and he lied to America about it.

I am sure you think these remarks are clever but they only showcase your desperation to deflect from Trump's incompetence.

So did Trump.

 

^^^^ This

But, you have to understand. Some people are so consumed by Leftist propaganda, that they will believe anything that does not help or hurts the bad Orange Man.

 

For your info, in North America, there was only one pandemic radar aming towards China/Taiwan, and said radar is located in British Columbia, Canada.

I'm not surprised at all, considering the fact that several key officials in BC's CDC Agency are Asian/Chinese immigrants, and they've quitely ignored the WHO. RESULTS;

Jan 16.......BC's CDC announced that they've developed their own testing kits, (No flaws), and were ready for its distribution. Subsequently, the rest of Canada opted for the WHO's test kit. And for anyone's info, early 2000, BC researchers were the first one to decode the SARS Genome;

BC researchers were among the first to respond, dropping existing work to focus solely on identifying the virus and developing containment strategies. Within six days they had sequenced the SARS genome, and in less than a year, developed three vaccine candidates – successes that received worldwide recognition

https://www.msfhr.org/news/features/how-bc-researchers-decoded-sars-genome

By early March, BC tested more individuals than the entire United States.

In addition, BC's Health Officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry..............Her U.S. counterpart, Dr. Anthony Fauci

''Her early handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia earned praise from the New York Times in June of 2020 that called her "one of the most effective public health officials in the world"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

FAST FORWARD......

BC's population; 5.1 million
Number of Covid19 Cases; 89,427
Number of Covid19 Deaths; 1,411
Deaths per 1M pop; 282................Lowest Number of Deaths per 1M pop in North America
Case Fatality Rate; 1,411/89,427 = 1.57...........U.S. Average; 1.83

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Well not everyone can be as open minded to both sides as Trump supporters. They really are special.

 

Doesn't change a damn thing! Taiwan warns Chiner and the WHO in December 2019, they bury that information until Jan 20 2020. Simple math, TWENTY days head start on a virus that's proven to be human to human transmitted while the Chiner and WHO report IT'S not..

Hey you want to rewrite history and facts to protect Chiner and the WHO, well, again All hail XI, he helped the DNC topple the Trump and the U.S. and world payed the price for hatred so deep that lives clearly didn't matter..

 

And the entire world, you just can't seem to process that can you?

How ridiculous that statement is AND the CHINERS knew in December 2019 it was being spread human to human..

Read your own post, you deflect blame from Chiner that effected the entire planets, now there is something to read

All hail XI friend of the world..

 

Well, I'm not consumed by leftist propaganda, but I will say this;

Formerly a Republican, an independent Christian/Fiscal conservative since 2007.......Why:

Federal Reserve Responsibilities include;

''Maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets''

BECAUSE I believe that the Legislative branch and Executive branch should also be responsible for ''containing systemic risk'', and ''irrational exuberance'', thus;

Bush's dream of homeownership
deregulation
weakening oversignt agencies
No down payment
540 credit score
40 years mortgages
AAA subprime mortage pools

And of the above, inflated the mortgage bubble.

RATIONALLY, if Uncle Sam can turn on a stove, then he can turn it off.

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I was also a strong advocate of the Tea Party's 15 non-negotiable core belief, mainly;

7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.

And in 2017, we had a Senate/House Republican majority??????????????

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LAST, Conservative beliefs; 1, 2, 3, 4, and personal/individual responsibility, and during the pandemic, said belief was stolen by the Liberals due to the fact, WE're at war against an invisible enemy, and ''WE, the People'' are the combatants, and our number one responsibility; To reduce the spread of Covid19 until a great majority are vaccinated.

 

I can't speak to wether other countries were naively duped by China. Regardless I expect more from our leaders.

And Trump knew in February of 2020 that the virus was dangerous and he lied to the American people. Aside from the time period how is he different then Xi?

Are you sure you are reading my posts? I never deflected. In fact I have agreed that China lied to the world. (See post #115)This however does not absolve Trump when he does the same thing.

That said I have often wondered when exactly Trump knew the virus was dangerous and how he found out? Do you know? It had to have been bt December and February.

 

And Chiner knew in Dec 2019. That's where you need to start, again anything beyond that is pertinent but nonsense... Chiner gave the virus 20+ days to travel around the world, but you blame Trump and all the other countries for it

 

Was it on January 29 when he empaneled the coronavirus task force? When he restricted travel to the US from hot areas of China on January 31? Or is he a ventriloquist. Was he responsible for Biden calling him xenophobic for wanting to keep coronavirus out of the US. I know. Trump was responsible for Democrats going to Madrid to bring the virus back from Europe as a celebration of international women's day. He also told Pelosi to run her Chinese New Year superspreader in SF and he forced Cuomo to run a superspreader in NY.

 

One more conservative belief;

In reference to our preventable Summer Wave, in several forums, I asked the following question;

How come Trump didn't at least asked the states to wait until they've lowered their positivity rates below the science based 5%?

Response from several Trump supporters; Nothing Trump could have DONE.....''Seperation of Federal and State Powers

Well, in reference to the State's rules for absentee voting, and electoral college, he certainly DID a whole lot of INTRUDING, and PRESSURING.