I'm getting my Moderna vax this week, and I thank OBAMA

He's a pissant government bureaucrat who wants to tell you what brand of toilet paper you should use. But then he uses the super secret toilet paper that Bill Gates endorses. Im tired of being one of their sheeple.

 

Then don't. Why is that his problem?

 

You spend an awful lot of time on message boards for an MD. Are you a general practitioner or a specialist?

 

That he worked with Obama to outsource gain-of-function research to Wuhan at the first whisper that it was about to be a political liability in the US is good reason to distrust the partisan midget about as much as many distrust the ex-President who spied on Americans without a warrant and weaponized the DOJ against people who disagreed with him.

 

Ostriches so easily bury their heads

 

I was under the impression it was obama himself that ended that research and it was later picked back up in secret.

However gain of function research is controversial and a legitimate reason to not like him if you choose.

I had not heard Trump spied on people but since that is illegal and Trump is still not in jail I will wait to see what the courts say. I typically don't do the knee-jerk reaction to stories in the media and am content to let the process play out.

I agree he did weaponize the DOJ but not sure what that has to do with Fauci.

 

What message boards in the plural? Currently I'm only a member of PF. I don't do Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, anything else, and don't belong to any other forum. The bulk of my online leisure is here. I happen to like it.

Specialist. MD/PhD, in a mixed clinical/academic position in a medical center that belongs to a medical school where I hold a faculty appointment. I do some direct patient care (because I like it, and not to lose the skills) and a lot of research, teaching, and administration. In my senior position, residents, clinical fellows, research fellows and research assistants do most of the ground work and I supervise them rather than directly doing the tasks.

I consider that at my age and years of practice (40) I am pre-retirement. I could have retired already but I prefer to keep working, for now. But I have significantly slowed down.

Anyway, I am a lot less busy than in earlier phases of my career. I do have idle moments. Like today I'm having a non-busy day. I do multitask and sometimes I have multiple windows open on my desktop, one of which being PF. During breaks such as a lunch break, I like to post here, or at some other time when I'm not doing anything but I'm waiting for a meeting that will start in 15 minutes, or I'm waiting for a resident I sent to see someone, to come back and discuss the case with me. And I'm an extremely fast typist.

Most of my posting though is done in the evenings and weekends, or early morning during breakfast when I check a thing or two here before going to work. I like this place. It's a hobby of mine. If you aren't aware, we doctors do have hobbies and do have free time. Some more than others. I am at this point ten times less busy than one of my residents, or a younger doctor in private practice trying to pay student loans and make a living. I'm wealthy enough by now that I don't need to kill myself with work, and my position is senior enough and valued enough by the hospital and the university that I can dictate how my working day and duties will be structured.

For example, I no longer do any in-hospital calls. None. At 5 PM I go home. Any needs in the hospital, the residents and doctors on call take over, and any struggle with a research project can always wait for my input the next day.

Not to forget, my online presence increased a lot due to the pandemic. There isn't much more to do when I get home... My wife and I watch Netflix... don't do dinner parties any more... don't go out... so we watch TV, with the laptop on my lap, and I post while I'm watching a movie or chatting with my wife.

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OK, I felt like giving you a full explanation, because it's a bit irritating that this issue surfaces from time to time... So I guess I'm addressing you and all others who come up with this objection. I guess people are not used to having a doctor here, and will always as a knee-jerk doubt someone's credentials. Will think "this guy can't be a doctor, must be a pretender, because doctors wouldn't have the time to post here."

What I can tell you is that my posting is more than sufficient to demonstrate my credentials. I've posted multiple times explanations about Virology, Immunology, and Epidemiology that no lay person would be able to match, even armed with the best search tools. The level of complexity of some of these posts of mine would fly over the head of a lay person, even if the person tried to read up on it. Here is just one such example; there are dozens and dozens in my posting history:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-pentagon-says.585751/page-2#post-1072491711

One can't acquire the experience that comes from 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 4 years of residency training, 5 years of PhD (which is often done simultaneously but in my case, it was sequential) and 40 years of practice (counting from med school graduation, so overlapping with residency and PhD) by simply using Google search.

But, you know, feel free to doubt me. What you believe in, is your call, not mine. Have a nice day.

 

Headline; Trump determined to get pre-election vaccine

Headline; Trump accuses ''Deep State'' of slowing down vaccine to hurt his election

Headline; Trump’s political team is overruling its scientists in order to rush through the approval of a vaccine before the election

Trump's supporters; The ''By-the-book'' Deep State is trying to sabotage Trump's goal of having a vaccine prior to election day.......Damn Leftists!

Today's Deep State Conspiracists; Are refusing or are hesitant about getting vaccinated because ''WE don't know about the effect of the vaccine''.

Well, perhaps our clinical trials should have lasted several more months.


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Proof that the FDA didn't tried to slow the vaccines......

Back in 2003, several SARS vaccine candidates were animal tested over several months, and due to complications, there were no human clinical trials.

''Early March, due to the urgent need for a vaccine in a surging pandemic, Pfizer and Moderna were given approval to simultaneously test their vaccines on animals while they were conducting Phase 1 trials on humans. The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques''.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

ATTENTION Trump supporters; Would you volunteer for a human clinical trial knowing animals were to be tested simultaneously?

 

That was Obama, who tried to spy on the AP, have James Risen licked up for reporting the truth about his administration.

 

On Trump,

If the left hand kills someone, and the right hand saves a life, the individual is still prosecuted.

That is my answer.

 

That is an arbitrary point. This incident took place and was handled by people over 2 administrations. Not sure why you think obama had a direct hand in this and it seems that risen was not the goal but another guy who leaked classified information to risen that could be detrimental to national security.

Was something illegal done? This was like over 10 years ago but I don't really remember this.

 

Not really. By the time you know there's something you need to contain, it's already too late. The world is more connected and more populated than at any time in our history which makes the spread of disease easier than it ever was. The Chinese had no chance, none, of containing it.

But where they do deserve blame and derision is their attempt to cover up the spreading virus. They couldn't have stopped the spread, but if they'd been forthright the rest of the world would have had a better chance of preparing quicker.

 

Obviously because you got damn near everything wrong but that my fault for typoing the name it was Rosen not Risen and it was at the beginning of Obama's 2nd term and let's not forget clapper blatantly lying to congress about spying on American citizens the Spying on AP reporters was toward the end of Obama's first. And no other admin was involved in either.

 

Hahaha! You will get your tax thanks to Trump and Operation Warp Speed. Obama had nothing to do with it. Just think you will have the result of the Trump administration pumping thru your veins......

 

Yeah, my bad. I misread the article that had said a Bush era prosecutor helped.

I don't care about spelling and to be frank, I don't really care about this from a decade ago. Why are we talking about it again? Did this stymie the vaccine research or something?

 

Yes the predictions were for 2,500,000 deaths, 3 to 5 years for a vaccine, a great depression that would last for years. And they were wrong on all fronts and largely in part to Trump's policies and business know how to work with the private business and force the government to support and AID their efforts to produce the vaccines and then putting in place logistics to distribute.

Yeah I know what he said at the beginning which is what the experts were saying about the virus and his unequivocal believe in and support of AMERICA and what we as a country could accomplish. And we DID.

And now you have Biden trying trying the downplay the TREMENDOUS and SUCCESSFUL efforts of the government and private business. Desperately trying to find a way to convince people things are BAD and only HE can solve them problem when it has all already been done. All he has to do is sit back and watch it work but he wants to take credit.............any credit and in the meantime refuses to acknowledge what AMERICA accomplishen.

 

It's a good answer. I blame him too, and I voted for Biden precisely for this reason, or for this main reason among others.

 

What are you talking about? Everyone knows that the virus was developed in a secret underground bunker in Kenya. A vaccination was developed along side of it. Which is why many Republicans politicians caught the virus, while so few Democratic ones did.

 

Had nothing to do with anything Biden did it was all in place and planned for before he took office. It's my state governor who worked with the distribution provided by the Trump Warp Speed policy and it is now quite easy to get vaccinated.

 

I got my second shot, two weeks ago, tomorrow. I thank science. I think that Rosalind Franklin should be given a great deal of credit. If she had not captured DNA on an x-ray image, as she did, we may not have ever developed the technology from which these vaccines are built.

 

GREAT the EU bought doses for their citizens. We did too, in total 800,000,000 doses. And here if you are in the groups that are getting the vaccine it is WIDELY available. Got my second second shot this week was in and out in under 30 minutes.

Thank you Warp Speed!!

 

I don't understand this argument: "Pfizer got a 1.9 billion dollar deal therefore they were helped by OWS." That is not relevant. Pfizer is a multi-billion dollar corporation. Their annual profit is five times bigger than the sum of the whole funds allocated to OWS to benefit all other companies combined (I've posted links to these numbers earlier in my posting history). The 1.9 billion contract between the US government and Pfizer was simply a reservation. We got them to agree that they'd sell us 100 million doses for 1.9 billion dollars if their vaccine got good enough to be approved. Period. So, did this help Pfizer with developing the vaccine, knowing that they would have the US government as a customer if they succeeded? Absolutely irrelevant. One, because if their vaccine had failed, Pfizer would have been able to take the financial hit. They have enough cushion for calculated risks. They are rich enough for it. Two, because if the US government had not reserved 100 million doses, some other government would, and Pfizer was perfectly aware of it. Are you kidding, do you think Pfizer would have any trouble placing their product in the international market if the US were not interest in purchasing it? Other countries are scrambling to get into the deals and are begging Pfizer to look at them.

So, no, OWS had strictly no influence whatsoever on Pfizer's ability to develop and market their very successful vaccine. Sure, we bought several million doses for them (now, even more than the initial deal had anticipated)... Other countries would have filled the void if we had passed.

This said, it is utterly undeniable that Moderna did benefit from OWS. Denying this fact is a losing proposition. Sure, the original poster may argue that he won't thank Trump because Trump in a way was fixing the very mess he contributed to causing in the first place. That is defensible as a position... but it doesn't make it any less true that OWS has helped Moderna. Those are just facts. Moderna got a huge grant, hired a bunch of scientists, bought a bunch of equipment, got helped by the NIH's expertise with phase 3 trials... To deny these FACTS weakens any valid argument that while Trump did well with OWS, he did poorly in other areas.

 

This new vax technology, it means more effective and safer vaccines, right?

 

Trump really wants to take 100% credit for the whole rush to make vaccines.

That is all he cares about. He reallly doesn't give a **** about anything else. Even now, he's trying to remind us about OWS. This is what bothers me about Trump.

What president in history, once out of office, would be pining for our attention in such a petty fashion?

But, given that necessity is mother of invention, it really wouldn't matter who was president. All presidents, whoever was president, given the necessity of it, there would be a rush to get a vax. The process would be fast laned. Of course it would. it would be criminal not to.

But Trump really mucked things up much more than more wiser presidents would have

This is why I have very little respect for Trump.

 

Agreed. Just don't try to deny that OWS helped Moderna because it flies against the facts.