Is Roe v. Wade at Risk???

Not a phony argument...any of the following is cause for self defense:
Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

 

Slavery was legal too but we grew up.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, you didn't:

FoxHastings said: ↑
Abortion was legal when our country was formed.

There is no "pro-abortion" faction, just people who want women to have the same rights YOU have...why do you object?

Oh, when was that? ...looks like it took several centuries, well into the 20th century...

...and why is slavery OK if it applies to women?? Slavery is having your right to bodily autonomy taken away...EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women...

 

Because then she is committin murder(duh).

They have the control over their own choice though, don't they?

 

Are you against murder?

 

Women already have the same rights I have. There are no anti choicers, they are proud to be anti abortionists. No code to obscure the issue

 

You do realise this wha ou made above is an argument for abortion, right?

Well, I do not know what you mean by "obscene material", but child pornography imposes froce on the children, so no.

 

What I mean is, why don't YOU THINK a woman should be allowed to kill her BORN kid in order to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Oh absolutely.

 

Not possession.

 

Then take precautions to not get pregnant.

It’s odd how leftists think the process of creating life is fatal.

 

It can be and has been proven to be...you could always show your proof that pregnancy is never fatal....but you'll search a very long time with no results.


Yes, women can take precautions but are not obligated to.....if they don't want a pregnancy they can get an abortion.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, you didn't:

FoxHastings said: ↑
Abortion was legal when our country was formed.

There is no "pro-abortion" faction, just people who want women to have the same rights YOU have...why do you object?




Oh, when was that? ...looks like it took several centuries, well into the 20th century...

...and why is slavery OK if it applies to women?? Slavery is having your right to bodily autonomy taken away...EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women..

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I did NOT say they didn't...try READING.

IF abortion is banned then women LOSE the right to bodily autonomy , a right YOU will continue to enjoy.

Anti-abortion IS anti-Choice and Anti-Women's rights.

 

That is what she is doing when she is having an abortion.

"Leftists" here, "Leftists" there, everywhere "Leftists". Ugh.

I am not a Leftist and I am Pro-Abortion. Stop making a package deal out of the two.

 

[QUOTE="FoxHastings, post: 1072678263, member:
Anti-abortion IS anti-Choice and Anti-Women's right[/QUOTE]
Anti-Abortion is Anti-Life.

 

There are a lot of them around. We don't know which ones.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I don't know anyone who "favors" abortion but LOTS of people who want women to have the same rights as YOU, the right to bodily autonomy for one.

They want women to have a CHOICE whether to abort or gestate....it's the Anti-Choucers who "want THEIR way".


And, personally, I think the Catholic Church should be a lot more active restricting their RAPIST priest who they protect, shelter, hide as they move them to "fresh fields" for them to carry on raping..

But the Church knows....

 

Then explain how this doesn’t count as pro abortion
......

 

No. One has an abortion once they fail to take the precautions and becomes pregnant.

 

People like you don’t approve of the “life of the mother” exception. That’s because that situation is extremely rare.

You go with “the health of the mother” because you can make virtually anything a health risk. It’s a cowardly argument.


I don’t know how any one with a conscience or even a shred of humanity can support the procedure. It’s inhumane and evil.

 

I read it, comprehended it and answered you.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It can be and has been proven to be...you could always show your proof that pregnancy is never fatal....but you'll search a very long time with no results.


Yes, women can take precautions but are not obligated to.....if they don't want a pregnancy they can get an abortion.

What are "people like me" ?

Yes, I do....where did you get so confused?

Rarity has nothing to do with anything.

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What does that mean???

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I don't make anything as health risk...pregnancy is a health risk but I didn't make it that way...

Insults are "no argument".

So don't have one...it's your opinion..

I know LOTS and LOTS of people with a conscience and loads of humanity and they all believe women are human and deserve the same rights everyone else has....you don't (shrug)

 

YUP, great solution...

 

people who want women to have the same rights YOU have...why do you object?

 

Women already have those rights.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑

people who want women to have the same rights YOU have...why do you object?

LOL, are you being deliberately obtuse?

but you needed to dodge that question once again

You still did NOT answer the question..."why do you object to women having the same rights you have?