Naming the Capitol Cop Who Killed Unarmed Jan. 6 Rioter Ashli Babbitt

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Can police shoot unarmed people?

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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.realclearinvestigations...killed_jan_6_rioter_ashli_babbitt_779601.html

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    Most police departments — including Washington, D.C.’s Metropolitan Police — are required to release an officer’s name within days of a fatal shooting. Not the U.S. Capitol Police, which is controlled by Congress and answers only to Congress. It can keep the public in the dark about the identity and investigation of an officer involved in a shooting indefinitely.

    Which is what happened with the Jan. 6 shooting of Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed protester in the U.S. Capitol riot who was fatally wounded by a plainclothes police lieutenant as she attempted to breach a set of doors inside the building.

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    In a little-noticed exchange, Byrd was cited by the acting House sergeant at arms during a brief discussion of the officer who shot Babbitt at a Feb. 25 House hearing. Both C-SPAN and CNN removed his name from transcripts, but CQ Transcripts — which, according to its website, provides “the complete word from Capitol Hill; exactly as it was spoken” — recorded the Capitol official, Timothy Blodgett, referring to the cop as “Officer Byrd.” His name is clearly audible in the videotape of the hearing (see video embed further below).

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    Following the shooting, Byrd’s Internet footprint was scrubbed, including his social media and personal photos.

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    It was what I said it would be. The Leftists / Establishment withheld the name and refused to be transparent, because reality was the wrong narrative. It doesn't match the propaganda the MSM and Big Tech constantly push for the Democratic Party's benefit.

    Byrd is the same idiot that left his loaded weapon in a bathroom.

    https://www.rollcall.com/2019/02/27/capitol-police-weapon-left-unattended-in-capitol-bathroom-again/


    The justification they gave for the shooting was terrible.

    Capitol Police defended Byrd in a statement, saying “the lieutenant did not know if protesters were armed” and that he “believed his life was in danger.”


    You don't get to "believe you are in danger" and kill someone as a officer of the law. You have to know you are in danger. You have to see a weapon or other indications that life is being threatened directly by the target. That was 100% not the case.

    I don't give a rip about the man's color. Clearly that is not the case with the Leftists and those in power. The narrative was not what they wanted. He had no business shooting his gun and murdering that woman. She is no different that George Floyd except she was not on drugs, did not resist arrest (never given the change), and she was summarily executed.

    Police don't get to shoot unarmed people and walk.... unless you are shooting the people that disagree with the Establishment and the Left. Otherwise, we could have seen hundreds of ANTIFA / BLM members gunned down throughout the U.S.A.

    Double standard is again in play when it comes to the Left / Establishment.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I agree.

    We should know his name to give him the highest award for protecting elected officials from rioters.

    The rioters were preparing to enter the room while the elected officials were still evacuating.

    Babbitt was trying to get past a hastily erected police barricade.

    What would have happened if Qanon believers had run into Democrats or Mike Pence in Congress?

    MAGA supporters injured 168 police officers that day.
     
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  3. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't hear you singing that tune when ANTIFA and BLM were murdering people, murdering cops, destroying Federal property, and destroying private property.

    Do double standards bother you at all? Or, does the ends justify the means with people like you?

    It's OK for police to murder on unarmed Trump supporters, but not ANTIFA / BLM. Is that your stance?
     
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    I don't care about political affiliation of rioters.

    I am against violence in all its forms.

    In such cases, a police officer doesn't have time to consider whether a rioter crossing a barricade is armed or not.

    If the policeman had not fired, hundreds of MAGA would have stormed the place and God knows what would have happened.
     
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    What I'm hearing is the next time there's a blm riot and they try to break into a store, the store owner probably won't have time to consider if the rioter is armed or not so s/he has your OK to shoot the first person walking through the door because he's protecting people and customers who haven't evacuated yet. Think of how much death and destruction would be prevented if the person at the front of the line in a blm riot was shot in the neck.

    Believe it or not, I like your method of preventing violence, just take out one person and the rest will scatter. Do you think that will fly throughout the entire country, or just DC? And of course no one is going to complain if we never learn who fired the shot and there will be no investigations or hearings because it will be justified as had s/he not fired that shot it "God knows what would have happened.". And there won't be any calls for defunding the police, social workers taking over, or billions of dollars in damage and looting because this is now the liberal approved way of preventing what only God knows what would happen.

    blm and their supporters injured or killed 2,037 policemen and that's just between 5/25 and 7/31/2020. Unlike the blm rioters, the 1/6 protesters didn't have a Kamala Harris/Obama Pals bail fund set up for them. Link to the above numbers
     
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    That even a single individual was allowed to breach the Capitol is a travesty. All measures should have been on the table to stop them.
     
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    What about federal buildings and the Wisconsin capital?

    better yet, tell us what buildings are OK to breach. Or do like Biden did with Putin, give us a list of buildings that are off limits.
     
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    And pray tell, why does this matter? Why does his name matter in this case?
     
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    Capitol isn't a store.

    Do you understand the difference?

    Your comparison might hold if you were talking about a rioter who wants to break into a military base, a police station or the FBI headquarters.

    About the shooting of Babbitt:

    "When they broke the glass in the back, the (police) lieutenant that was there, him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this, and he didn't have a choice at that time,"

    "The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that's a decision that's very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force."


    Rep. Markwayne Mullin


    BLM riots affect dozens of thousands of people.

    A riot on Capitol Hill to overturn an election affects 328 million Americans.
     
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    If any rioter was breaking down and trying to enter my home or place of bussiness I would open fire in a New York minute. I do not care what organization they belonged to. After seeing what Babbitt and the rabid mob were up to before she got shot, I am confidant that the police officer acted properly in that case. If I were part of an angry mob who was engaged in destroying public or private property and assaulting police officers and other civilians I would expect to get shot.
     
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    I don’t understand what you are not comprehending about my post.
     
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    You just don't understand. The liberals make all the rules. The cops are the bad guys when the criminals are black and the cops are the good guys when the criminals are white. Very simple. Just like everything else, the 'racist callers' decide everything by race.
     
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    I’ll tell you what you should understand. The ONLY thing you have about this protest is where it happened and you guys play it up for all it’s worth and use it to derail thread after thread after thread.

    This is not the first protest to ever happen at the Capital and it probably won’t be the last. But this protest was far less violent, deadly and costly than the blm Floyd riots. Those riots got downplayed for political reasons and the 1/6 protest is being ginned up for political reasons and the only thing the left has is where it took place.

    for the record, the protesters should have stayed outside, made their voices heard and that’s it. And the capital police knew in advance the protesters were coming, so this should have been handled better.
     
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    This riot was by far the most serious and consequential in US history.

    We'll still be talking about it in 50 years.

    Our grandchildren will not be able to believe that in the US, a President organized a demonstration/riot to overturn an election.

    This puts the so-called greatest democracy in the world on the same level as Myanmar, Chile under Pinochet or Mussolini's Italy.

    Trump has damaged the image of the US around the world for a long time to come.

    Neither the police nor Pelosi nor the FBI bears any responsibility for the riot.

    And you will have to accept like a man the political consequences of what happened.
     
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    Nice dodge. We get it.

    Police murdering unarmed Trump supporter = Good.

    Police defending themselves against ANTIFA / BLM that have weapons, are using them, and are known to murder police = Bad

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    A+

    Nailed it on every level. The Left has varying opinions depending who is being shot at.
     
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    .... because there is a double standard. How are you not following along?
    • Officer Darren Wilson
    • Officer Derek Chauvin
    • Officer Nicholas Reardon

    They were all immediately identified and demonized before any facts came out. That is not the case here. Why is that? Double Standard.

    You're welcome.
     
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    WOW, putting a target on a policeman (we don't even know if this is the policeman or is a policeman) doing his job and who was cleared. Threads like this are pure wrong. Now here come the whataboutism in a flamebait thread.
     
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    If you cannot tell the difference between a riot and a coordinated event designed to stop the certification of a national election while threatening to kill the vice-president because he will not violate his oath of office then I really don’t know what to tell you.

    While a riot is serious the other can destabilize an entire nation.

    Be honest for one moment and ask yourself what your position would have been if that was Obama supporters trying to stop the certification of trump. Would you comprehend the difference then?
     
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    He was "cleared". Did you even read the OP? I highlighted the important part.

    Capitol Police defended Byrd in a statement, saying “the lieutenant did not know if protesters were armed” and that he “believed his life was in danger.”

    Clearing him so quickly with no investigation is a double standard as well. Not sharing the video is also a DOUBLE STANDARD.

    Is this getting through to you? You guys doxed Officers Wilson, Chauvin, and Reardon, before all the evidence was out.
     
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    I find it fascinating that trumpists still try to make Babbitt a martyr. Her own actions was the cause of her death. Her along with all of the other dipshit, traitorous trumpists surrounding her can clearly see the police and some congressmen barricading the door. Even trumpists feet away from her saw a cop with his firearm brandished. Yet Babbit, all on her own chose to breach the broken glass in an attempt to enter the chambers that have been barricaded.

    I guarantee every trumpist here, if they owned a business, or hell, in their own home would shoot Babbitt if she breached a broken window into their property. She is no Patriot, she got swept up in Trump's horseshit lies with all the other traitorous trumpists in the Capitol and unfortunately for her and her family, was killed.
     
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    I'm not a big Trump fan. I would prefer DeSantis, Cruz, Paul, or Carson. Thanks for playing. Part of having TDS is assuming everyone that doesn't have it is a "Trumpist".
     
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    Now... do that for the BLM / ANTIFA Rioters that burned down businesses, murdered police, and attacked Federal Buildings. Should they have been shot by police too? Let's hear it.
     
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    For the same reason as I can say the right is over reacting. Those names were released... because there wasn’t a realistic threat against their lives as compared to here.
     
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