Biden to speak live on Afghanistan @ 3:45 PM EST

Whatever they want.

 

Question:

Did Biden take/answer questions from the media after his speech?

After his speech I heard lots of people asking questions all at once... but ALL three TV news channels... FOX, CNN and MSNBC... went immediately to their own commentary.

 

They can drive around in Humvees and enjoy the wind in their beards.

 

They now have Stinger missles.

 

No, he walked off in a hurry. Took no questions.
They definitely wanted to ask some.

 

They might have few left from what Reagan gave them in the 1980s.

 

Bagram was a fully functional military base, mortars, howitzers, tanks, Stingers (modern ones).

 

They have had stinger missiles since the late ‘70s. We made sure of that.

 

Is that Robert Byrd to Bush's left there?

 

Why don't you read about the pull-out going back years, and especially this year, as opposed to saying stuff and hoping people take it for truth? Why do you think they just left everything behind when they have C-130s to haul things out?

 

That's always true.

Once we're totally out it will be sharia all over the place. women will only go places when escorted by a male family member, and there will be daily beheadings. That whole place has been f***** for generations.

 

I'm Joe Biden and nobody ain't gonna tell me what to do is not playing well so far.....

 

Reminds me of Vietnam war architect Robert McNamara championing the thing, massaging stats to tell the public all was hunky dory, and then, some 20 years after the fall of the South, telling us he never thought it would work.

Biden worked hard to help make and sustain the Afghan conflict. And now he tells us something he could have said 15 year ago: it is worthless to stay there.

 

That may be true but all he can do now is get the hell out and not start another shitshow somewhere else.

 

All this was left and funded by taxpayer money:

https://i.4cdn.org/k/1629143822316.webm

PS: Stingers can take down airliners.

 

I think that is inaccurate. The Trump timetable was too short (by May, I believe). Clearly, though, the Biden Admin. did not manage this exit so that even September was enough time.

 

I know it is accurate. Biden and his admin. fiddled around and other people have to pay for it.
Plans were in place for the May withdrawal, Biden wanted to do it his way and got people burned, possibly literally.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-video.html

Hopefully some have free NYT views left.



https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/07/14/afghanistan-translator-coren-pkg-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn





Your taxpayer dollars hard at work!

A lot of that equipment should have been brought home.

 

While I agree that this was badly mismanaged, by Biden, one would have to be ignorant of U.S. history, generally, to be unable to think of any president who has had a screw-up, of this magnitude. But, taking you at your word, I will try to help you out.

The first that comes to mind is President Lyndon Johnson's lying about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which is what finally put American boots on the ground, in a big way, in Vietnam. Practically ALL of U.S. deaths (50k?) and casualties, can be hung on Johnson's shoulders. How is that not a bigger screw-up?

President Woodrow Wilson's pushing to get us into WW 1, led to not just the spreading of an epidemic that began in Kansas, U.S.A., to turn it into a worldwide pandemic (the "Spanish Flu"), that killed maybe 50 million people. But, because of our boosting the Allies to victory, allowed them to force tremendously heavy reparation payments from Germany, which was a main contributor to the rise of the Nazi Party. Pretty big boo-boo, there. Also, the way he, "handled," the pandemic, in America, was to ignore it. One of our worst Presidents (unless you ask history professors, who rate him as one of the best).

Speaking of ignoring pandemics-- Trump's mismanagement of ours, resulted in tens, if not hundreds, of thousands more American deaths, than were baked into that cake. Hard to not call that blunder, bigger than this one.

President Jackson, to promote his own land-speculating interests, broke our Indian treaties, moving them off their land, which contributed to the growth of the cotton-growing industry which, in turn, concretized southern reliance on slaves. You know where all that led us. Also, he disregarded a SCOTUS decision, that would have compelled him to defend Native peoples who were being killed by citizens, who violated their Amerindian reservation, so as to get the mineral resources that were there, discovered (I believe it was silver). This was an autocratic act of TREASON-- disregarding the authority of one of the 3 branches of government; it would be no different from directing the Executive branch to operate counter to some law, passed by the Legislative branch. His comeuppance, for this, was placement of his image on the $20 bill.

If issues of Constitutional principles weigh lightly, on your scale, his closing of the Bank of the United States was a monumental screw-up.

Continuing with the slavery theme, (from Jackson's action), Andrew Johnson's abandoning of the important work of assimilating the newly-freed, former slaves, as full citizens, was a blunder of epic proportions, with negative effects, resounding to this very day.

I have also made the case, elsewhere on PF, that Lincoln, personally, bears a good bit of the blame for our tragic Civil War, but I cannot get into that without the subject becoming it's own, controversial, & off-topic, thread, w/in your thread, so I will leave that one, there.

George W. Bush's war in Iraq, because of their, "weapons of mass destruction," easily eclipses this, current failure. In fact we can throw another log on the Trump fire by noting his abandonment of our Kurdish allies, which is in the same vein as what we are doing, now.

I could go on, but hopefully that will suffice to make the point that this is not nearly as consequential of an, "OOPS!" as a substantial number of other U.S., Presidential debacles.

 

Out of all that, maybe Lincoln. Maybe.

 

I got well into the NYT article without ANY mention of the feasibility of pulling all this off, in a better fashion, had we moved according to Trump's time table. Nor did the CNN article appear that it had a different focus; that is, both focus on our current withdrawal, only. If your article has a quote in it, that supports the post of yours, which I had said I thought was inaccurate, please cut & paste that quote, in your reply. In lieu of that, I see absolutely no PROOF, to even suggest that this would have gone more smoothly, had Biden not delayed the time table, set by Trump (which I've heard being called, by very knowledgeable professionals, like William Brennan, "a lousy deal," which he cut with the Taliban).

Here is your contention, in case you've forgotten

Wynn Sayer said: ↑
From what I understand, Biden ignored that agreement (Because tRump!) and that's why the Taliban is taking over.
Biden thought it would be better optics if he broke the deal Trump signed with The Taliban and waited until 9/11.
That made the Taliban mad so they started taking over.
So this fail was entirely preventable.
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The idea that the REASON that the Taliban is taking over is because they got mad at Biden's not pulling out a few months sooner, is so ridiculous, that it warrants no reply, other than: Thanks for the laugh!

 

That's exactly why. And now people are dying.

 

Some of that stuff takes C-5s.
You don't think they couldn't have had a squad or two pack up all the flak jackets and small arms and ammo? A few C-5 trips with vehicles. Millions of dollars' worth.
Seriously.

 

Biden got our ass handed to you wrapped by a yellow ribbon.
Trust Biden? Sorry but hell no.

 

Tucker’s guest Ret Colonel Doug McGregor: “Al Queda was allowed to escape Afghanistan through the incompetence of Tommy Franks and other Generals, we should have gotten out of there 18 years ago”....

 

Agreed. But there are lessons to learn here. We need a real anti-war movement. Not peacnicks but like Tulsi Gabbard saying stop getting our kids killed in conflicts that have nothing to do with us, shedding blood and treasure. We should have known this after Vietnam.
It doesn't help to have a corporate media working hard to gas light. Biden is a disgrace here. Yet you see things like this:


How long till enough of us forget what they did to us this time around? Again, only a very vocal anti-war movement might do the trick.