Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

What I think it will produce is a huge increase in Dem voters. This law goes further than the majority of Americans approve of. And you will now see many states copy cat this law. If the Dems are smart this will be their number on issues this time next year.

 

I'm okay with a law making all abortions illegal except for 'the life of the mother'.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you believe that if a person hires a hitman to kill someone the person doing the hiring should not be charged with a crime?

Do you see any "perverse incentives " in that ???




THEN WHY BAN ABORTION IF IT'S NOT MURDER?
Why ban abortion???????

Oh, gosh, you forgot to answer the question you quoted!!!

Guess it was an oversight?

So you believe that if a person hires a hitman to kill someone the person doing the hiring should not be charged with a crime?

Do you see any "perverse incentives " in that ???

You seem to be squirming away from the issue....

WHY is abortion banned if it's not murder?

 

Yep.

Its you who doesn't know. LOL. You keep talking about disagreements, and I keep asking you to explain the disagreements, but for whatever reason you can't explain it. You have said "because you don't agree...." at least 3 times, but you can't explain what I don't agree with.

My solution does require government funding to reduce abortions voluntarily, while your solution requires government bans, policing and threat of punishment. My solution is non-authoritarian, and yours is authoritarian. It is far cheaper to the taxpayer to prevent unwanted pregnancies than to fund welfare, food stamps, child tax credits, daycare, schools, juvenile detention centers, drug rehab, prisons, expansion in LE etc during the life of unwanted kids.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
WHY an exception for rape ?????

GoodGAWD...it's a simple question....why are you at a loss for words now ?


So you do not believe in making an exception for a rape victim but want her PUNISHED for being raped...OK, I got it...



No, I am not OK with destroying women's right to bodily autonomy.

NOW I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER MINE?????????????

That is what we were discussing....if you can't answer those inconvenient questions then just say so


So you do not believe in making an exception for a rape victim but want her PUNISHED for being raped...????

 

[1] Do men have a right to bodily autonomy?

[2] Are forced mask wearing and forced vaccination policies a violation of a woman's (or man's?) right to bodily autonomy?

 

Pays 10K and gets 50K back.....what are you guys saying?

 

YES, every BORN person does.

Nope.

 

Uh, no, a mother is someone who has a child.....

 

Not ignoring that at all. In fact, I've repeatedly stated it.

 

Which starts at conception. Thus the phrase, "with child" which refers to pregnant women.

 

I think Darth is raising the point that because the Texas law's enforcement is based on the ability for any private individual to sue the abortion provider for conducting a prohibited abortion, and as a result, receiving a monetary award, that people would be incentivized to abuse this. It's a valid concern.

The law is a crafty way to avoid suits challenging the legality of the law, which I'm sure will come anyway.

Typically, when you sue a government for an unconstitutional law, you're suing the party - typically a government official - that enforced a penalty or sentence or other statutory requirements. Here, under the Texas law, state officials are prohibited from bringing any penalties or suits under the provision, thus taking away, or making more difficult, the ability for people to sue to overturn the law on Constitutional grounds. And that IS the reason, apparently, the Supreme Court refused the first case against this law.

I imagine this was ill thought-out and some clever attorney will get a case to the Supreme Court in relation to this law eventually.

 

Women aren't going to be too thrilled, every miscarriage after 6 weeks is going to have to investigated so the woman can prove it
was a miscarriage, not an abortion.

 

What species is the "not baby"?

Non-substantive emotional tripe dismissed on sight.

You are a science denier. I will show you why that is if you are willing to engage in discourse about this topic with me.

You also seem completely unaware of what a fact is. Facts are not universal truths or proofs.

Yes he does. I also have an argument, IF you're willing to engage in discourse with me.

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Facts are not universal truths nor are they proofs.

No you don't. Especially if you are willing to engage in discourse with me on this topic for a few rounds...

Non-substantive emotional tripe dismissed on sight.

I highly doubt that, as you are a science denier. I'll give you the science if you're willing to engage in discussion with me for a bit.

There is no such thing as a "scientific fact" ... There is nothing scientific about a fact, and facts are not universal truths nor are they proofs.

There is no such thing as a "science fact".

Let's just start with my initial question: What species is the "not baby"?

 

A miscarriage isn't relevant to the law. You cannot sue under this law for natural miscarriages.

 

Define "bodily autonomy" as you're using it. You seem to have a much different idea of it than I do...

 

They would be even happier if abortion was banned completely. Many single issue voters would have to reconsider their vote, because abortion has kept them voting for GOP. Before R / W, lot of evangelicals voted Dem because they saw them more in line with Matthew 25: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me."

And yes, many Americans, including many Republicans and independents, are pro-choice, and a ban would cross the line with them

 

Indeed. Scamsters will cash in on the rewards by staging it. Wow.

 

How will they successfully stage an abortion? There are requirements for documenting the pregnancy. Do elaborate, though.

 

By having a friend actually get one.

Cindy: Hey, Julie I got knocked up again
Julie: Getting rid of it?
Cindy: Of course. You wanna split the reward?
Julie: Sure. Text me the name of the clinic

 

Again, this was addressed. I'm sure defendants of these suits will ask the plaintiff if they know the mother. I think this will be much harder to abuse than you folks think. It has to go through a court of law with discovery and the whole works.

 

So what if they know each other? People rat on friends and family all the time, especially in Texas. This law counts on it.

 

Then they get the reward, from the abortion provider, and the provider is thus incentivized to stop providing illegal abortions. Simple.

 

Bodily autonomy is a right granted to every person to have the right to control what are the things to be or not done to their own bodies.

www.personhoodinitiative.com/personhood-and-bodily-autonomy.html
In America, the doctrine of bodily autonomy draws its authority from the God-given, and thus unalienable, right to life as recognized by section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment where the state is denied the right to "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


NO one is allowed to use another's body to sustain their life.

 

She may be "with child" ( a very nonscientific phrase) but she has not birthed a child and is not a mother until she does.
Here's a phrase for you: "EXPECTING a child".