Another left wing claim against Ivermectin bites the dust.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    A poster made a claim, and YOU jumped in asking for studies. I provided the studies. Neither you, nor the poster provided any to support your claim. Instead of that you kept spreading disinformation.
     
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    Sure the debunkers have. One hospital outright denied his claims, another apparently laughed at his claim. He said "hospitalS" (plural). So which are they? Post up the answer.
    Burden of proof is on the left wing morons running fake news without even bothering to verify the facts.
     
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    You asked for "long term" studies. I asked for "long term" studies. You provided none, which obliterated your point.


    What, specifically, is the disinformation? You still can't quote any.

    Can you still see light at the top of the hole you dug for yourself?
     
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    Which brings up another point.... I thought social media was hellbent on stopping the spread of COVID-related misinformation.... But Rolling Stone, Rachel Madcow and others pushing these fictions are still on Twitter. Amazing, isn't it?
     
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    yes hospital system meaning more then one hospital and the statement was released by that very hospital system

    so please inform us what other hospital or hospital system did he work at if it wasn't this hospital or hospital system
     
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    Why would I read the articles in the OP to a right-wingnut webpage when what you were expecting were responses to claims made by Rolling Stones and the AP that you DIDN'T quote?

    BTW, I did see you posted quotes AFTER posters (myself included) compelled you to. I quoted your post and responded to it. And you didn't respond to my counter arguments.

    But I guess what you need is to learn how to start threads. Hint: start by having a POINT. And then MAKING that point on the OP. Throwing in a link hoping some third party will make your point for you shows that your point is weak (at best). Unless, of course, you know your point would be debunked if you provided actual quotes. Like it happened in this case.
     
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    Dr. Jason A. Mcelyea is a family medicine doctor in Sallisaw, Oklahoma and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area, including Integris Grove Hospital and Northeastern Health System Sequoyah.
     
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    So, you're going to pile a huge genetic fallacy on top of your other hilarious fails in this thread. Kudos. Keep shoveling.


    I did respond, lol. You claimed they retracted the article, which they did not. Another one of your hilarious fails in this thread.

    Nothing I've posted in this thread has been debunked. Your imagination is vivid, lol.
     
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    This has already been addressed once in this thread. Integris seemed to laugh at his claim, too.

    So both the hospitals you just cited deny his claim or laugh at his claim, and you can't name another one? Looks like you're out of luck.

    McElyea is also listed as working at Integris Grove Hospital in Grove, OK as a general family practitioner - not in the ER. A phone call to them provided no insight as to any ivermectin overdoses, however the gentleman who answered the phone sounded quite amused. What's more, Grove, OK - with a population of 7,129, had just 14 aggravated assaults in all of 2019 according to the FBI's latest data. We somehow doubt that 'gunshot victims were lining up outside the ER,' while just 11 ivermectin related hospital cases have been reported in the entire state since the beginning of May.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...ce-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
     
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    Good grief! Didn't you guys learn from the hydroxychloroquine debacle that anecdotal evidence is completely useless. Do you know how many videos like this saying that there were "hundreds of studies" were posted here during the Trump-HQC fad?

    As I said back then: maybe it will work, maybe it won't. But science is NOT based on anecdotes. It's based on STUDIES.
     
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    EXPOSED: WHO Admits It Used Fake Lancet Study To Stop Hydroxychloroquine – Killing Tens Of Thousands
    Jun 5, 2020 – In an astonishing revelation, the WHO was forced to admit that a study they relied on, which removed hydroxychloroquine from a list of COVID-19 therapies for further study, was entirely fictional.

    The WHO now says they will restore the drug to the list which infers also that the drug is effective against COVID-19. Its effectiveness is well-established and the fake study worked against tens of thousands of non-trial cases of the drug working to cure COVID-19.

    https://fort-russ.com/2020/06/expos...hydroxychloroquine-killing-tens-of-thousands/
     
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    Understand, this is who you are dealing with:

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    These people are true believers. They have a cult like worshipping of thier version of 'facts".
     
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    WTF? I did! But you refuse to understand the fact that 2 months, for a vaccine, is long term. Not to mention that we now have over a year of data (including trials and real-life). Scientists are not even studying anymore and will never again study "long term" effects of the vaccines because they are waaaaay gone from the body of anybody that got the shot 2 months ago or more.

    Despite the disinformation that you receive every day from the wingnut echo chamber, the reason why vaccines have not been given full approval, has absolutely NOTHING to do with long term consequences. It has to do with other less "dramatic" factors. Including the fact that the manufacturer has to state for how long the vaccine is going to work before a booster is needed, for example. They didn't know the answer to that until now.

    But all this is way over your head....
     
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    Well considering the "All mighty" vaccine needs a booster 4-6 months after max dose and hardly prevents contracting or spreading the virus I think the incredulity is planted firmly in those that think science is king and the human immune system is all of a sudden incapable of protecting us :)
     
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    Why are you trying to find 1 damn study that is peer reviewed for horse de worming medication and calling that science while ignoring the dozens of peer reviewed studies on the vaccine?

    The vaccine is fine. It works. Take it or dont but don't be double standard about it.
     
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    No, "two months" is "long term" if you're a fruit fly.
    The maximum life span of an adult fruit fly is 50 days if the temperatures are between 24-27 Degrees Celsius. Temperatures above or below this range and lack of food will reduce their lifespan to 7 days. This is because fruit flies cannot live for more than 1 week without food.


    For scientific studies, though, that's not long term by any definition except yours.
     
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    You don't retract articles. You retract statements. You said yourself that they had corrected the statement. THAT is a retraction.

    But you wouldn't know that. Because every time I ask you to demonstrate something or retract, you get all confused and do neither.
     
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    They didn't retract their statements. They "updated" the article with additional information. They did not correct anything. I provided the link for you already, which you now keep claiming I haven't, lol.

    Keep digging, you're almost to China.
     
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    What the hell does that have to do with what you quoted? And how many times do we need to explain to you that if you are going to attack a source, quote THE SOURCE. Quote the WHO "admitting" that they made up that study.

    But, before that, you should state some sort of POINT. You haven't even done that.
     
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    Okay, if you're incapable of relating that to the post I responded to, and can't bother to read an article someone cites, as you've done this entire thread and in other threads, you're just a waste of my time.

    Ignore bin you go. A long time coming. Buh bye.
     
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    WTF? Are you alright? Do you need us to call for help?
     
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    And it looks like you can't either. Not that I expected otherwise.
     
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    and by that statement makes the article fake news
    after the retraction nothing in that article gives any of their claims any credibility no evidence no truthful statements no verifiable facts nothing it is worthless partisan bull crap
    but the liberal media doesn't give a dam they know their credibility is worthless cant damage it anymore than it already is
    so their priority is their liberal agenda the false narrative dam the facts dam the truth
     
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    Well... whoever wrote this disagrees with you...
     

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