‘The damage is done’: Russians face economic point of no return

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  1. Condor060

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    Except the Blaze isn't the only source reporting on it.
    But any media that reports anything bad about Democrats is a right wing hack so what difference does it make
     
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    "An anonymous Ukrainian official"

    I call BS.
     
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    Yet you flourished over CNNs and MSNBCs anonymous officials for 5 years and still do.
    Go figure
     
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    WTF....your complete dodge is noted
     
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    So If the Blaze uses an anonymous official you call BS
    But when you're reminded that CNN and MSNBC have been using anonymous officials for thousands of fake stories its dodging.

    Yeah, we get it. Hypocrisy noted
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Even if he could, (which he definitely can't) why would he want to do that? This is the era of the welfare state. You don't get gold and slaves from conquered provinces anymore. You get people who you have to take care of. This is what bankrupted the Soviet Union and why Putin is in charge now.

    Russia has a GDP about equivalent to Italy, You don't conquer the world with that.
     
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    I can't really make out what you're trying to say that's different. They killed clean nuclear to cover the lost energy their importing clean Natural gas from Russia. Maybe they'll get to 100% renewable by 2035 as their stated goal, but today they are not there and must have Russian natural gas.
     
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    More divisive BS in a good thread. Hate to tell you but Trump and Biden and Bush and Obama could've done more to neuter Putin all have played the same game regardless of your rhetoric. Now let's have a good discussion without the partisan BS please, we all know you hate Trump, we get it already.
     
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    As Pro_Line wrote, Russian NG is only 7% of their overall fuel need. They can source that from elsewhere.
     
  10. hawgsalot

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    Putin is a traditionalist and still wants to return to the great Russian Empire. Who knows what he'll do or when he stops but we damn sure need to be preparing for worst case as he seems a tad unhinged at the moment.
     
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    Ahh gotcha, well hopefully they are doing that right now along with other EU countries.
     
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    7% of their energy needs is from Russian gas, and to me that sounds like they can easily replace that with something else.

    Other news: Looks like EU just voted "YES" for Ukraine EU membership. Not sure what that means, because some nations have taken 10 years to become a member after a "YES" vote.
     
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    The vast majority of Republicans I've talked to accuse Biden of being too weak . . . while also arguing that he should have been even weaker. As for whoever you've quoted, they are a complete idiot. Democrats DID send weapons to Ukraine. So did Republicans. I hope I'm not teaching anyone a new word here, but it was completely bipartisan . . . one of the most bipartisan, unanimous pieces of legislation in US history. And I know you've been conditioned to credit Trump, but 5 minutes of homework would have shown you that this is stupid to do. All he did was sign a piece of paper, after playing NO ROLE in championing or supporting it previously, at a point in time in which his signature didn't even matter. Trump could have vetoed the aid and it would have had EXACTLY the same effect.
     
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    You don't move a 3 mile long column of armor and support vehicles forty miles in an hour.
    That's not how that works.
     
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    This is says they get 60% from Russia per the German energy chancellor address to the German Parliament on Feb 27th.


    Germany depends on Russia for around 60% of gas imports

    To work to reduce import dependence on 'single suppliers'


    https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-...inals-to-reduce-russian-gas-dependence-scholz
     
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  16. Condor060

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    Your argument is with the Ukraine, not me.
    What did he say?
    Did incompetent Biden lift sanctions on Nord Stream 2, giving Russia the upper hand, the sanctions Trump imposed
    Yes
    Did incompetent Biden wait until the last minute to send weapons to Ukraine
    Yes
    Did incompetent Biden publicly announce no troops giving Putin some breathing room
    Yes
    Then maybe you should argue the points made instead of rambling on and on.
    Oh, you can't argue the points made
    Got it
     
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    WTF are you on about

    The Blaze is a rag publication, and YES, I am calling them out on this one.
     
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    Ukraine, not "the Ukraine." And if you had read my post, you'd know I have no beef with Ukraine.

    What do who say about what? Be specific.

    Trump CONSTANTLY fought for lifting sanctions against Russia. Surely no one is so uninformed that they don't know that. AS for Nord Stream . . . you mean the same one that has been cancelled?

    Please read the Constitution and learn how spending actually works.

    So now Republicans want troops to be on the table? Really?

    I addressed your "points." You failed to address mine. I'd ask you to try again, but we both know how you play this game.
     
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    You're right, let's be united behind Biden.

    He is the POTUS, and he needs all Americans to send the strongest possible message to Putin.

    Do you agree with that?
     
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    Its actually 55% of their GAS imports. Natural gas covers about 12.2% of their total energy need, so Russian gas is 55% of that 12.2%, which is why I keep telling you that Russian gas is about 7% of their total energy need.
     

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    LOL, I wouldn't follow that senile whore who stole the 2020 election into the men's room. Especially not after Afghanistan.
     
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    He is about Trump-Biden-Trump-Biden-Trump-Biden-Trump-Biden.

    That's all that circulates in his head.
     
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    So keep voting for a guy who wants to be Putin's friend.
     
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    As far as being ineffective media sources are pro Ukraine and much of its propaganda has been found to be false.

    Putin could be using lightning attacks but thats more dangerous and his goal is not to kill Ukranians and destroy infrastructure.

    Who's winning? I don't know but I do know Kiev is surrounded, Russia owns the skies, and Ukranians are forcibley conscripting 60 year old men.
     
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    That's what's so concerning to me. Putin is a crafty and calculating leader.

    The wild card is not him or NATO, it's the effing POTATO in the White House.
     

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