‘The damage is done’: Russians face economic point of no return

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    His "friend' slapped controls on Russia that Beijing Biden immediately rescinded and is only now putting them back.
     
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  2. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    False.

    Congress overrode Trump's veto twice to impose sanctions on Russia.

    Putin endorse Trump in 2017 and 2020.

    Trump has done everything to warm relations between the two countries, even going so far as to blackmail Zelensky.
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Why do dems keep with the lies that Trump was pro Putin when it was obvious he wanted to make the USA and Europe stronger and Russia weaker?



    Exhorting Europe to be stronger militarily does not weaken them duh. Telling them to not buy Putin's oil and gas did not help Putin. Then you have our policies where with Trump where we were the number one oil and gas producer in the world and Biden tries to reduce that.

    How do you people sleep with these lies?
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    What election was Trump running in in 2017? You have quotes where Putin endorsed him?

    Warming relations? So what? His sons did not get money from Russia like Biden's son did.

    Stop with these moronic lies.
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    While Biden was stopping a pipeline in our country he was eliminating Trump's sanctions on Nordstream 2. Keep up the lies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

    What a pos traitor Biden is.
     
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  6. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol at "what bothers me".

    You are the brilliant tactician who said satellite imaging would nullify Russian forces.

    How'd that turn out?
     
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  7. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Part of being a lefty is living the lie.

    Top dems lie, the media lies, and they all know ita a lie but it serves as a type of bonding mechanism.
     
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  8. Arkanis

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    The US Army is currently providing crucial information to the Ukrainians about the movement of Russian troops.

    Without this information, I am convinced that Kiev would have fallen.

    And you are the brilliant tactician who worships a man who admires Putin.

    You'll be ashamed of it sooner or later.
     
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    :roflol:

    So what?
    That is the same as Trump living the "Election was Stolen" LIE...

    Pot Meet Kettle...:bored:
     
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    What @Starcastle wrote hee hee. Really!
     
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  11. US Conservative

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    Please link to me worshipping Putin. Again you claim to know what's in my head and it's hhilarious.

    Also, why do you support the Nazi death squads in Kiev?

    Dey called Azov Battalion.

    Dey Nazi.

    And you are supporting that side.
     
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    Nobody said you had a beef with Ukraine
    Deflection #1

    Deflection #2

    But its obvious why you can't stay on message. The Nord Stream 2 gives Russia a stranglehold over gas supplies to Europe and is a dangerous political weapon.
    Trump blocked the NS 2 by imposing sanctions on companies involved in the project.
    Biden lifted sanctions against Nord System 2 the day he took office.
    And the entire world knows it. (Except you of course)

    Deflection #3

    For those of us who actually have a clue, Ukraine lethal weapons approval was provided in 2019 by Trump. The first president in history to make this provision.
    And the same approval used by Biden.
    Except Biden waited until the invasion to send Ukraine anything which was too late and why Ukrainian officials labeled Democrats a *******.
    That should give you a clue how pissed off they are.

    Deflection #4

    Again, more information obviously over your head. Ukrainian officials are not expecting for the US to provide troops but being as incompetent as Biden is, announcing that to the world instead of keeping Putin guessing or giving him a moment of pause, was idiotic.

    Yet its more than obvious you can't address the information provided by Ukrainian officials.
     
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    Agree fully and can I just say...excellent post.
     
  14. yardmeat

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    Then either you don't know what "a beef" is, you don't know what an argument is, or you don't remember your own post.
    "Your argument is with the Ukraine, not me." - You, after apparently forgetting.

    Nord has been cancelled, bud.


    Any of us who have actually read the Constitution know that the President doesn't make such provisions. Congress does. Congress did. Trump even tried to illegally withhold aid after Congress had approved it. And, again, since you refuse to read the Constitution, TRUMP'S "APPROVAL" WAS COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS . . . IT WASN'T ****ING REQUIRED AND IT DIDN'T ****ING MATTER. Read the damn thing. It isn't long. Most middle school political science classes require you to do this at some point.

    Please learn about the separation of powers.

    Again, maybe you should read the Constitution. Biden would have no Constitutional power to send such troops without approval from Congress. Which is a public thing anyway.

    Yet it is more than obvious that you refuse to avail yourself of the facts, or the basics of the Constitution.
     
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  15. yardmeat

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    Then perhaps you need to avail yourself of the facts as well. See post #114. And can I just say . . . excellent fail.
     
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    I do if ofcourse Biden and your side doesn't go at this one sided. If it becomes a political ploy that leaves Putin in power sending Oil and Natural gas to the US, then I will have a hard time supporting.
     
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    More word twisting? Get over yourself

    Which changes nothing of the fact that Biden lifted those sanctions the day he took office

    Then you will have to cite that to your own media as the left is slobbering all over their claim of Biden supplying weapons to Ukraine
    Biden authorizes $350 million more in defense aid for Ukraine
    Washington post

    That wasn't the issue and obviously way over your head

    :roflol:
     
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    Bush tried to warm, Obama and his hot mic moment obviously tried to warm, Trump tried to warm and Biden approving the pipeline tried to warm. It's good for all Presidents to try to warm the relationship to avoid WW3. At this time, let's be honest all politicians warm and try their damn best to exploit world problems to pad their pockets.
     
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    It's funny how you think that reading is "twisting."

    Trump fought far harder to lift sanctions against Russia, Biden didn't take office on May 19th, Biden re-imposed those sanctions, and the project has been shut down.



    I don't read the Washington Post, bud. If you want to talk about "my own media," check out Reuters or the Economist or the Wall Street Journal.

    But I appreciate your desperation to dodge.

    To reiterate (so that I again have the pleasure of seeing you run away): Trump did nothing to promote that legislation and even his signature didn't matter. Trump could have vetoed the bill and we'd still have the exact same result. Trump mattered as much for the passage of this aid as you or I do and no more. Plus, you know, he illegally bypassed Congress to withhold the aid.


    It's the issue to any honest, literate person.
     
  20. Arkanis

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    Don't change the subject, you understand very well what I am saying.

    You worship a guy who admires Putin.
     
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    Ironically, the gas that Germany no longer buys from Russia comes almost exclusively from the US.

    So there is a great opportunity to be seized.
     
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    Bush was fooled by Putin.

    But it must be said that at the time, Russia was not as great a threat as it is today.

    Has Obama attempted any significant rapprochement with Putin?

    No.

    And after the invasion of Crimea, it cooled down a lot.

    It was Trump who made a huge effort to rehabilitate Russia.
     
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    Trumpity Trump Trump Blah Blah Blah
    Nothing you posted disputes BIDEN removing the NS2 sanctions the day he took office and not putting them back on until Russia invaded Ukraine[/QUOTE]

    REUTERS
    Biden approves $350 million in military aid for Ukraine
    https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-approves-350-million-military-aid-ukraine-2022-02-26/

    WALL STREET JOURNAL
    Biden Administration Considers Sending Ukraine Military Equipment Once Bound for Afghanistan
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-considers-sending-ukraine-military-equipment-once-bound-for-afghanistan-11639757332

    NEXT
     
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    Says the guy who worships Biden who removed the Nord System 2 sanctions sucking up to Putin and giving Putin the opportunity to stranglehold all of Europe.
    You know, the same sanctions Trump and Germany put on to stop Russia's Nord System 2.
     
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    I understand goodness sometimes you talk in circles; no one is saying it's not 7% of their total energy demand. What I'm saying is that number is supposed to grow substantially. They are taking all Nuclear offline in 2022 another 12% of their total energy, and natural gas is the main replacement per the German Energy Chancelor last week. Russia provides 60% of their natural gas and they MUST//WANT source that somewhere else.
     

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