Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    Russia isn't my ideal candidate to lead the required changes in the world order. even if Russia plus China plus Iran would have all the requisite ingredients to topple the masters/beneficiaries of the Ponzi-scheme based economic and political order.

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    And yet not only has a single piece of evidence that there was such a program been presented it didn't even feature in the demands made by Putin following the invasion. And on top of that even the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists have called out that claim as BS.
     
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    For months Putin, Lavrov, etc. claimed they didn't have the intention of invading Ukraine, but they did.
    Then they claimed it's merely an "operation" when there is a full ground war they started.
    Then for weeks they claimed they would only target military facilities, but they didn't. Now they bombarded a maternity hospital.
    Then they claimed there were no conscripts fighting in the Russian army, all of a sudden they admit there are conscripts.
    Not only seems their military strangely amateurish, but even their propaganda apparatus is complete rubbish.
     
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    Thanks to the "invasion", this program will not be. You will not deny biological laboratories in Ukraine?
     
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    this statement is questioned. Those. the building itself came under fire, but there was no maternity hospital there. The staff and patients were evicted by the Ukrainian army, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces were deployed on the premises.

    Today I saw a message about the exposure of this fake. But unfortunately I can not provide proof of my words.
    The video with evidence was very promptly removed from YouTube, which in itself is perceived by me as the veracity of its content.


    In the end, the veracity of this version indirectly proves that there are too few civilian casualties, given the damage to the building. And the casualties among the military, of course,
    will not be shown for obvious reasons.
     
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    Russian elections too.
     
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    There are 'biological laboratories' in Antarctica FFS! Putting the words 'biological' and laboratory' together is a sentence doesn't magically convert the work being done into a weapons program. Most 'biological laboratories' around the world are involved in providing pathology support to the medical profession. You want to claim analyzing stool samples is an act of war? Be my guest.
     
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    You only make Americans hungry with these pictures.....
     
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    Hypothetically. What's going to happen if the Ukrainian nationalist really blow up an experimental reactor in Kharkiv? What would be the consequences?

    Russia accuses Ukraine of planning attack on Kharkiv nuke plant to blame Moscow
    Russia warns Ukraine will blow up an experimental reactor at National Research Center

    By PTI Updated: March 07, 2022 16:37 IST

    https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2...f-planning-attack-on-kharkiv-nuke-plant-.html
     
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    I think if someone blows a reactor in Ukraine he wouldn't be an Ukrainian nationalist but a Russian nationalist..., Russia warnings are the same as they gave in Syria - the contagious habit of Russia enemies to commit suicide and self genocide...
     
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    The fact that the Russian army bombarded a hospital is not questioned. The WHO has counted at least eighteen cases in which medical facilities were bombed by the Russian military. There's extremely little reason to believe any "counter facts" coming from the Kremlin giving their amateurish propaganda stunts in the past few weeks and months.
     
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    Once again. Hypothetically. If the Ukrainian nationalists really blow up the nuclear reactor, what would be the consequences? Russians have zero interest in blowing up the reactor, they are winning in the east. All Ukrainian forces are in cauldrons. No air cover, no way to deliver supplies. Get real.
     
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    Let's say. Then why is Nuland so much concerned that materials and samples will fall into the hands of Russia? Why be afraid if this is ordinary medical research that cannot be used as a weapon? Можно You would think there is no other place in Russia to get **** samples except from the Americans in Ukraine. :)
     
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    in this case, the "hospital" is not a working medical facility, but simply a building with Ukrainian soldiers. You need to ask why the Ukrainian military occupied the object, which is listed as "medical" on the map. Either way, it's collateral damage. Or, as the US military says, "Tolerable Losses" - when cities are bombed, hospitals or local people's weddings.
     
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    Russia interest is to defuse Ukraine from anything that might harm them, so a long urban war is not preferable, they would rather level the place and be its only life support as "Humanitarians".
    You want me to get real and believe its another case of Russia enemy committing suicide ?
     
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    The appetites of the greedy are never satisfied, but the maps and diagrams are an illustration of the huge discount between those who hold and control the distribution of paper money and those who have the actual things of value from natural resources, to human capital, to production and more.
     
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    The Russians would blow up the nuclear reactor 26 miles form their own border the very same way Israelis would blow up the nuclear reactor 26 miles from Israel's border. Get real.
     
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    I am deeply shocked by the news about the presence on the territory of Ukraine of dozens of biolaboratories funded by the United States and where biological weapons are being developed. The fact that experiments with bioweapons were introduced there was confirmed by US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, who expressed concern that the Russian military can take control of biological samples. Moreover, she blamed for any incident with biological and chemical weapons on the territory of Ukraine on ... Russia. Cynicism of the highest degree.

    Official Washington brazenly and openly confirms that he violated the first article of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological and Toxin Weapons, and also brazenly hangs the blame in advance on the whistleblower of this heinous act, which is a spit on the entire world community.

    The United States is the real aggressor that has taken root in most countries of the world. I am sure that the countries who turn a blind eye to this monstrous act against humanity are also accomplices of American aggression and have laboratories for the development of biological weapons on their territories. Notice the states keep these labs away from their citizens.
    The following facts are noteworthy: only American scientists worked in the laboratories, or "approved" by them, American law exempts participants in such projects from criminal liability in case of unsuccessful and illegal tests. In other words, The Pentagon would lay the blame for the outbreak of a dangerous disease in Ukraine on Ukraine itself, and American scientists would simply return home. But such outbreaks occurred! And we are only now realizing what caused them. 2008 - viral hepatitis. 2009 - an outbreak of hemorrhagic pneumonia. 2011 - cholera outbreak, which recurred in 2014-m and in 2015. 2012 - measles. 2016 is an outbreak of a strange flu-like illness. 2016 again - swine flu, and it was the "forgotten" strain of 2009. 2017 - hepatitis A. 2017-2019 - outbreak of measles. 2019 diphtheria outbreak. And that's just Ukraine.

    Tests of American "drugs" became known in 2018, when the former Minister of State Security of Georgia, Igor Giorgadze, published documents on the activities of a laboratory in a village near Tbilisi, where an outbreak of hepatitis C suddenly occurred and, very opportunely, a new vaccine against this disease appeared.

    Do you still consider the United States an example of democracy and human rights defenders? USA - world aggressor and criminal state, which today is opposed by only a few countries in the world, including Russia.
     
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    Far, far less than if the Russian's 'blow up' Chernobyl. And just about as likely.
     
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    For the same reason he's worried about Chernobyl and other nuclear sites falling int Russian hands.
     
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    in other words, she has no one to worry about. Russia knows chemistry and nuclear physics very well. If everything is even and safe in the laboratories, then the disclosure of documents does not threaten anything.
     
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    Well so far you've provided zero evidence that there is anything to worry about in the first place. So your basically raising straw man arguments for lack of any real argument.
     
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    If Russia knew nuclear physics they wouldn't have built such a shoddy reactor.
    And yes, they know chemistry enough to know they signed a treaty on chemical
    weapons - and in acccusing the West of using chemical weapons they are getting
    ready, psychologically, to begin using the same chemical weapons they gave the
    Syrians to use. Maybe the same chemicals which became bywords for Russian
    duplicity in the West - polonium & novichok. Nerve agents. Maybe bomb maternity
    wards with the stuff.
     
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    ManYack. You said Russia would not invade Ukraine.
    Now you are saying Ukraine has chemical weapons....

    Putin Rule 1 - blame others for what you are about to do.
     
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    Nuland assured Congress that there were materials in the laboratories that should not fall into the hands of the Russians. She didn't mean stool tests.
    If you don't believe Nuland herself, then what do you expect from Russians, whom you don't believe because they are Russians?

    You want to make me responsible for the military operation in Ukraine and for Nuland's words? :applause: OK. I can name the address where to send the sanctions. :-D
     
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