NRA chief calls gun ownership a 'fundamental human right,' rejects calls for new restrictions

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  1. submarinepainter

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    actually, I am happy you are not teaching.
     
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    Oh, but I do…!
     
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    And that's the challenge, sensible regulations that facilitate the lawful use of force while minimizing the unlawful use of force.

    "Stop and Frisk" allows the police to briefly detain a person based on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity which is a lower standard than probable cause which is needed for arrest" and check them for weapons. In your opinion is this reasonable in order prevent the unlawful use of deadly force?
     
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    Even Ginsburg, a proponent of abortion admitted that there were flaws in the Roe v Wade ruling. LINK: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit | University of Chicago Law School (uchicago.edu)

    Additionally Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) wasn't overturned until Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954) was ruled on. Which if you do the math was MORE than 50 years of being "settled". But we can all agree that we're glad it was overturned huh? SCOTUS is not always right. And they do have a history of over turning previous SCOTUS rulings that were bad rulings.
     
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    Yes. America voted in favor of inflation, recession, stagflation, high crime, the list goes on. The media conspired with the DNC to create Biden which gave America’s legal citizens a 5 trillion dollar haircut.
    And they did it with their eyes wide open. Yup. No voter fraud here as far as I can see!
     
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    So a pregnant woman is the only human being in the whole world with a divine right to kill another human being. That’s the only time it’s ok for one human to play God over the life of another. I don’t think so.
     
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    Every state besides one requires preregistration to vote.

    You basically asked if it was ok to restrict rights, then you acknowledged that rights are restricted but that isn’t enough to restrict gun ownership?

    What?

    As to your common use argument: https://harvardlpr.com/online-artic...es-and-the-limits-of-the-common-use-standard/

    It doesn’t say anything about regulating weapons — it was just about outright bans and in that case it was handguns.
     
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    People already do call me a pedophile (or the new favorite word is groomer which has been deemed a ok by the completely unbiased moderation team here) — no, I don’t consider it an attack. They are just words although I do take issue with unequal application of laws and rules.

    I consider people trying to revoke freedoms an attack. I stopped caring about what people say long ago.

    So you feel other are being attacked because of words people use in passing? Strange. Weren't you discussing freedom of speech earlier?
     
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    I said "the same restrictions you want for guns". I never said that there were no restrictions or that restrictions didn't exist and I never asked if it was ok to restrict Rights. I asked if you would be willing to apply the same restrictions you want for guns to every other Right held. Is that too much of a nuanced question for you?
     
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    I have been involved in education and in working with young people my entire career.
     
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    Advanced registration is required to vote in 49 states.

    Do you comprehend English?

    “A well regulated”
     
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    As have I….so what? The difference between us is that you are prepared to sacrifice the lives of those children you claim to care for on the altar of unrestricted gun ownership…!

    Or, do I have it wrong..? Is there a number of children killed, or a frequency of massacres, where you would finally say “Enough…!”….?
     
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    No, my entire career has been in special education, about counseling, providing academic and behavioral support to the teacher in the classroom for at risk kids and then much later working with special needs students in small class or 1-1 situations. I also work with elementary school kids in an on campus after school program. I love my work. I’m also a licensed foster care parent. But you can be glad I haven’t been teaching all these years.
     
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    It would be a challenge if we didn't get to the point where the police are afraid to intervene in mass shootings.

    The US is the easiest place in the world for a crazy to arm himself.

    And you blame the police for being afraid of them....

    If arming people was a solution, the US would not be the champion of mass shootings since ever.

    None of this could have prevented the deaths of 19 children last week.

    Nor the massacre of 60 people in Las Vegas in 2017.

    Nor Sandy Hook, nor Buffalo, nor Parkland... do I have to go on?
     
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    You misstate the politics of abortion equally well as you misstate the politics of the NRA... Congrats for being consistently wrong...
     
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    Yet, you would see those kids slaughtered, rather than restricting the weapons used to kill them…
     
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    I already stated what I am for. One locked entrance in and out of a school campus. Improved lockdown procedures, each building on campus properly secured. At least one armed trained person on campus. Allowing some qualified teachers to ccw on campus. Of course I am also prepared to give up my own life to shelter kids if it still ever came to that.
     
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    Hmmm....A new game show for the Faux network..... Elementary School or Prison??
     
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    There are other less invasive upon constitutional rights ways to prevent that that I’m for instead that would prevent such senseless loss of life.
     
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    You have given that as little thought as the idiot Cruz who proposed it…! It’s like the guy who keeps putting down more and more buckets under his leaking ceiling, instead of getting up and repairing the damn roof…!

    My school, like most high schools in my state, is made up of several separate buildings, connected by covered walkways. I’m not at work right now, but I can envisage 7 separate buildings that are accessed by students and staff during a typical school day. At change of period, hundreds of people pour out of those buildings and re-enter others.

    Do you see where I’m going? In most situations, Cruz’s moronic suggestion simply won’t work…!
     
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    So you would prefer children are kept in something that resembles a jail instead of doing psychological evaluations of individuals that want to buy carbine rifles with thousands of rounds of ammunition?

    Interesting.
     
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    And if those measures continue to be ineffective…? Give me a number please…..how many children killed, or how often a massacre, before you decide that the guns need to be controlled…?
     
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    Those nations do not share our culture, and are a poor comparison. We are NOTHING like them. We already have a load of idiots who just want to disarm the populace, of which less than .001% is a problem. Wanna stop murders? Address these; https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43
     
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    Do you comprehend English? Does voting require a permit to exercise in all 50 states? Does Speech? Do you have to have a permit to be a part of the Press? Does voting have Red Flag laws? Does Speech? Does being part of the Press? Can your Speech be infringed just based on the accusation of abuse? Does it cost you between $35 to $300 (depending on area) to be permitted to speak just to pay for a background check?

    I said the SAME restrictions. What about the word "same" do you not understand?

    And stop with the "well regulated" bit or at least include the whole clause "A well regulated Militia, ..." Notice the comma there? That is one whole clause. If cherry picking words is all you have then you have no argument.
     
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    Should you be required to go through psychological evaluation just to exercise your free speech? How about for your right to vote also?
     
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