What's the argument against background checks for private gun sales?

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why don't you tell us what you think the second amendment covers. then I will know what you are talking about.
     
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    That's true. Even weapons not noted as "assault" exist in the military such as shotguns. But trying to explain this to a willfully ignorant 2A hater is like showing my dog the Playstation controller.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lack of demand is why those infringements have stood. If they were in great demand, someone would bring a challenge to the Supreme Court. and they would fall.
     
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    I've given this post to you several times.

    Amendment II
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's a non answer given people like state that means no federal gun control and people like Biden claim it allows all sorts of gun bans
     
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    So you're ok with infringement as long as demand is low.

    At least you admit to being for infringement.

    Now all that remains is for society to determine the line in the sand.
     
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    The actual 2a is a non answer?

    WOW. You really love infringement.
     
  8. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why do gun restrictionists have such a tough time answering easy questions?
     
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    Why not be honest?
    Do you know what the 2a says? I give it to you over and over.

    What infringements does the 2a allow?
    Maybe that's easier for you.
     
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    none at the federal level when combined with the tenth amendment
     
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    Ah. Infringement.
    Unlimited at State level. According to you.
     
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    you seem to not understand incorporation
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am never OK with any government overreach. I just recognize that it exists, and why it persists.
     
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    It's really not that they hate so much as they just enjoy watching good law abiding people lose something/anything they don't collect and or enjoy doing.. The DNC is a miserable lot and that goes other for countries too that can't stand to see people enjoying anything THEY deem not fun, don't understand or have been stripped of it like a irresponsible child(ren)..
     
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    Right. Children massacred in classrooms has nothing to do with it.
     
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    It doesn't.

    The same people pretending to be upset over this don't care about all the other ways kids get killed, it's just the one they can ride politically.
     
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    The "loophole" to which you refer is known as freedom. But to your point of fitness to own a firearm, I can't think of a reason off hand that background checks shouldn't be applied to these off the record exchanges of firearms.

    Personally though, upon reflection, I find it intrusive, like verifying that I am competent to make dinner for friends as opposed to eating at a restaurant, or having to wear a chastity belt, or two people having to undergo marriage validation before intimacy. To what end should the long arm of the law go between loved ones, friends, and contemporaries in freedom. What is the necessity aside from blind burrowing and the making of wormwood out of the grace of our liberty.

    What exactly is the issue with private firearm sales/trades relative to crimes involving firearms. Should everyone be fingerprinted and our DNA registered for the cause of justice and safety. Should we all receive the mark of the beast for the privilege of our existence, and rendered unable to buy and sell without it. Where is freedom and freedoms God in such a contraption. How is it other than a hells jaw. The spirit rebels at the notion.

    Perhaps we should just resolve ourselves to the fact that there is loss and gain in freedom. And the loss can't be prevented by removing freedom without also preventing the gain. Who is our overlord to tell us that we are unfit to be free. What great goblin eats up our judgment and plucks out our eyes, that we need to be led like the infirm to the grave. Should we not go there free instead, alive in the maintenance of hope. We are Americans in freedom, not slaves in bondage. Faith isn't vain. It is the faithless who in service to vanity, that have abandoned the rock, and lost belief in freedom.
     
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    Yup and until those tragedies happen it's just Trump Trump Trump, and ignore ALL THE MURDERS IN ALL THE GHETTOS IN ALL THE CITIES happening every day all year round for over 75 years..

    Everyone see's right thru the phony DNC hate filled agenda's ;)
     
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  19. dairyair

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    LOL, that is not true at all.
     
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    Sure it is. I don't see anyone banging on about stopping anything else that hurts people or stopping murders, only riding this silly idea that guns are to blame for something people do.
     
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    I recognize it also. And I don't think making it illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater is gov't overreach. Even though it violates the 1A.

    Just like most all are not concerned about some infringements of the 2A. Nothing in absolute when it comes to man made rights.
     
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    I guess you haven't seen OWI laws.
    If you are not able to see all the laws that try to stop hurting people or stopping murders, I can't make you see.
     
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    Banning things doesn't stop murders but you'd rather take the feel-good choice, even if it hurts other Americans. I guess you can make murder MORE illegal.
     
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    1) It's not (federally) illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater.
    2) The right to keep and bear arms is not a "man made" right. The 2A protection against government infringement of it is.
     
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    Nothing will stop murders.

    Do you think we all should get drunk and drive? Because banning drinking and driving won't stop people getting killed by drunk drivers?
    Explain pls.
     

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