Dear Illegal Immigrants...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by RoanokeIllinois, Jun 25, 2022.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Spoken like someone who lives on stolen native land.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    More than likely, whites are already in the minority in America, or it's very close, and will be happening very soon.

    I'm not afraid of it. 1. there may have been Europeans here even before the Native Americans were ever here.

    2. We fought against the native Americans and paid for it in blood. Democrat Politicians Dishonor people like Davy Crockett(Legendary Frontiersman), and James Bowie(the Famous Bowie Knife), from the Alamo, by simply just handing America over, to anyone that votes for them.

    You see, what bugs me more than anything, is the traitorous ways of the American Democrat politicians, and not standing for anything, selling their country out for anything and anyone, the corruption, and greed.
     
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    But what does it mean to adapt? To speak the language only? To learn when and when not to tip? To know the business culture of how to negotiate deals? To know the customs of the local populace? What?

    Adapting ot our culture takes time. The ones who begin to become fully integrated are the children they have here, who grow up knowing both the language of their parents and English here. The parent do adapt but struggle with English and allow their kids to speak because they lack confidence. Ever try to learn another language on your own? If you did, how well could you speak it without the apps? I have a friend who is a CPA who has lived here for 20-plus years. Two children, but she still does not understand everything this country does or its customs. At least once a week, she learns something about our culture she never knew before. And yet, she can speak English fluently. The point is, at what point would my friend be adapted to this country? My friend still thinks that the experiences here has not allowed her to fully adapt. So, is she a bad immigrant or what?

    Or are we really talking about certain groups of people that you really, really, really don't want to be here no matter what?
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    no. lol. I'm talking about anyone's country. If I take a vacation to see the Effiel tower, I wouldn't expect to go over there, and everyone to start speaking English to me, or have to learn it, just because I'm from America. Nor would I expect them to start bending over for my customs.

    Part of what makes a Country so great, is having their own Customs. Own Food, own ways of life. That's why people take vacations, and go places, that they haven't been before. Without a countries own customs, it sorta takes out the honor and Pride of being that nationality.

    and if one is going to do that, one might as well, just call everyone from every country a citizen of every nation. Therefore having open borders in every nation. Therefore having no wars. Never having conflict. If you can do that, that would be great and all, but for mankind being so greedy and "materialistic", I wouldn't put my odds on you being able to do that.


    MOST IMMIGRANTS COME TO AMERICA, BECAUSE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM. AND ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE COMPARED TO MOST OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. THAT'S PART OF WHOM WE ARE AS A COUNTRY. MOST ILLEGALS AND IMMIGRANTS WOULDN'T WANT TO COME HERE IN GENERAL WITHOUT THAT. AND YET DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THAT PART OF OUR COUNTRY.
     
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    Good lord,

    For starters, most of the defenders in the Alamo, including Jim Bowie, were Mexican Citizens. You had to become a Mexican citizen once you agreed to the land that the Mexican government was given to you. The whole Texas revolution was about nationalism, Santa Anna, versus Federalism, the Gringos and the Tejanos who did not want Santa Anna's nationism in Tejas. Other people include Juan Seguin and other Tejanos who fought at the Alamo and at the Battle of San Jacinto. It is also why in the Battle of the Alamo, the flag had the numbers 1824, symbolizing the 1824 Mexican Constitution, which granted the land grants to the Gringos that became Mexican Citizens.

    Second, the United States government broke every treaty with the Native Americans. The results include the trail of tears by the Cherokee because of yellow fever, the Indian wars with the Blackfoot because of yellow fever, we hunted on their land, some of which were sacred to them without their permission, and so forth. Yes, we fought the Indians, but we did so dishonorably, not honorably.
     
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    There is a huge difference between taking a vacation and living there. Second, yes, mankind is greedy, some more than others, and one person in particular who shall not be named, the one of the greediest of them all. But none of what you said, goes to my point or the argument about immigrants adopting.

    Most people who try to use the argument that "immigrants need to adapt to our "way of life" means two things. First, immigrants who are not from developed countries and who are generally white and Christian just become "white" and Christian to be accepted into our society. Or second, immigrants who are from poorer countries who do not speak English, who are poor, etc, should not be allowed because they will never adopt. This is the gist of nativitism that America has endured since the mass immigration of the Irish.

    I am not saying that you are arguing this, but the whole argument about immigrants adapting to our culture can lead to the nativist movement quickly if we start to get into the nitty gritty of it all.

    Finally, immigrants come here for a variety of reasons, economic, family, refugee, etc. Yes, we are the beacon of light in the darkness, and to some, "the American Dream." But that the American dream can vary depending on the person. For some, it means going to a US college, preferably a prestigious one. For others it means marrying their love, who happens to be an American and live here. Others include economic opportunity, such as my friend who is now a CPA. Others include the freedoms such as North Korean, Vietnamese, Cuban, and Syrian refugees. Finally, just because they come here, our freedoms are generally not going away, at least not the ones that are amendments. Travel may become extinct as freedom because that is what Roe v Wade did, and so forth. Also bear in mind, that there are over 150 countries that have freedoms guaranteed in their Constitution or by statute, all of whom are democratically elected governments. Their view of freedoms may be different, like freedoms in Japan vs USA or Canada for instance, but they still have freedoms there just as we have our freedoms here.
     
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    I don't vote nor support a party(democrat American Politicians), who protect felons, and allow them to vote(threw sanctuary cities, and in prisons).

    I also don't support American democrat politicians who would kill a baby. And ones that allow free healthcare for all, including illegals that come over that need a million dollar operation.

    I also don't support American democrat Politicians, who would be perfectly fine protecting a terrorist, and allowing them to get free healthcare, and then simply leave the country.
     
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    LOL, so what does this have to do with the post you made about the Alamo or with Native Americans? None?

    For starters, you are assuming that all illegals are felons? Yes? Or is this another cryptic message about HRC should be locked up along with Joe and Hunter Biden?

    As for abortion, your side all wants the baby. But once that baby is born, they do their best to kill that person if that person does not agree with their political point of view. So, you support genocide.
     
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    uum what? my side wants the baby. your side is the communists. What are you missing here?

    I never said that all illegals were felons. You're assuming, and then psychologically projecting that upon me.

    Jowey, and hunter should be locked up, along with many other Democrat Politicians, and democrats in general.
     
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    I don't think you know what a communist is, do you? Most democrats and independents want women to have a choice. It is her choice, not yours, not the GOP, not the country's religious preferences. That choice is based on numerous factors, factors I don't think you will ever understand or experience. At times, it may be necessary for an abortion, such as a pregnancy that will threaten the life of the mother. But it is their choice. But the choice is not communism. Not giving them a choice, a reasonable choice, is communism.

    If I was asking questions based on your post, how is that projection? Again, you are making grandiose assumptions about a party, a gender, a group, aka illegals, that you know nothing about nor had any true experience with them. I can tell you most illegals are not felons, but FAIRUS, NumbersUSA, and hard-line anti-immigration advocates do make that claim and it appeared you were echoing that claim.

    Finally, the investigation with Hunter Biden is still ongoing and no resolution has been made. That investigation is his willful failure to pay taxes with the laptop just adding intrigue to the investigation. But again, until the FBI's computer forensic team comes out with their analysis, no one really knows whose laptop it is. I am patient with Hunter's inquiry, you are not.
     
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    It is statistically proven that children born into poverty and single parent families are more likely to become involved with law breaking, drug abuse and transporting, do poorly in school and contribute very little to society.
    So what happens with the sanctimonious posing of barriers for poor women to have an abortion is that she spends her life struggling, spending where she need not to have, living in poor housing with poor schooling and a poor diet, not spending proper time with her child because she has to work, so the chid that she didn't want grows up to be a social misfit who may well end up either costing the state tax payer thousands to house in a prison or end up dead.

    Is that what god wanted?
     
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    I'm still waiting for Democrat Politicians to start actually caring about black on black crime. God wouldn't want that. too bad democrat voters are ok with their politicians doing nothing about it.

    I believe that liberals, and their politicians, and especially their activist groups, should actually help black people, instead of doing things like pocketing the money, or spending it on million dollar houses.

    The liberal democrat politicians have been for the blacks for over 70+ years, and yet, they say that racism is worst then ever. hu. Well, then that would mean, that within 70 + years, that with over at least over hundreds of millions of dollars or easily more, threw colleges, and donations to their causes, and taxes, that they said were going to black causes, that they wasted that money on what they wanted, and not blacks, plus, they haven't helped race relations in general.

    once again, not my words, theirs. I guess, to dem dem politicians, "black lives" really don't matter, but are merely just a way to conjure up votes, and make money. sorta like global warming.
     
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    I never mentioned race in my post that you quoted.
    I am talk8bg about women who for one reason or another couls not have the abortion they wanted.
    Very revealing that you immediately think of black women...
     
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    WTH?

    Most crime is committed by persons you know, are related to, or are acquainted with. That is why you see when a caucasian person is killed, the chances are more likely that it would be associated with a person who knows him, not a random act, which is what the "black on black crime" is trying to suggest. One of the root causes of crime is the belief we can solve almost anything with a gun. And it is that attitude, not the color of the skin, that is the most important reason why we have such statistics.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    you said this:
    "It is statistically proven that children born into poverty and single parent families are more likely to become involved with law breaking, drug abuse and transporting, do poorly in school and contribute very little to society.
    So what happens with the sanctimonious posing of barriers for poor women to have an abortion is that she spends her life struggling, spending where she need not to have, living in poor housing with poor schooling and a poor diet, not spending proper time with her child because she has to work, so the chid that she didn't want grows up to be a social misfit who may well end up either costing the state tax payer thousands to house in a prison or end up dead."

    if you weren't talking about black people, then you have no clue what you're talking about then, and I should just ignore you from now on, because you're wasting my time.

    So which is it?
     
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    That's why they tried to distract us with this racist crap and this gender crap.
     
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    Do you seriously think there ate no white women who are poor and fit the description above??
    You might like to wide your assumptions and refrain from such racism.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    how am I a racist, when I'm going by true statistics? even liberal statistics would agree with me.

    Unless, you're going by what your media and liberal politicians do? simply pretend that what they minority wants(even when it's 5 percent or less of the general population), is what the majority of what Americans really want. lmao. lol.

    sorry, but it's not whole the real World works.
     
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    You are assuming Pixie was talking about black people when she said that statistics prove children born into poverty and single-parent families are more likely involved with lawbreaking. Or in other words, you think poor people and single families only include black people and no other racial demographic. That assumption is absolutely wrong, period.

    it really does not have to do with poverty, although poverty can play a role in the decision-making process of whether to have an abortion or not. However, abortion occurs across all socioeconomic backgrounds. Have a successful woman who cannot be tied down to marriage or children as she rises to the top. Chances are that if she gets pregnant, she may consider an abortion because her career comes first, not family.

    The biggest problem conservatives have today, and to some extent progressives, is stereotyping groups to fit into their political idealogy. And that needs to stop so we can attempt to solve some complex problems like poverty, abortion, etc.
     
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    I didn't mention race when I mentioned poor women.
    You did
    Think about your "jump to conclusions" assumptions.
    And statistics of what?
    I don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    If you supposedly know what I'm talking about, then why not answer my question? perhaps you don't?
    I've already explained what I was meaning and talking about.

    Maybe democrat politicians should do more about things like black on black crime, and illegal drugs in poor communities?

    i'll wait, but i'm guessing you won't want to talk about either one of those things. Because both have been big failures, or they just don't care.
     
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    How much do you want to pay for those very difficult programmes?
    We are talking about the global drugs trade, and I mean global. Far East, Middle East, South America, Africa...
    Where is the money, manpower and international coopération going to come from?
    This isn't à party political issue. This isvan international issue.
    And another example of "it ain't me, it's his fault".

    Locally, if any political ideology suggests more targeted support for minorities it is the right which fabricates reasons to block it.
    The right prefers to build golf courses instead of basket-ball courts. Because the guys who make the decisions rely for power on the rich geezers to support them. And they play golf, not basket-ball.
     
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    well, maybe i should be talking to little children from china, who work in sweat shops for nike, making shoes for the nba and activist lebron james? nah, the hypocrisy there is too much for me.

    what programs? do you mean like social security? ones that are in massive debt, because the Democrat Politicians can't budget anything right, and have to steal Americans hard working money threw taxes to pay of their states budget bills.
     
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    I'm afraid most were not mexicans. Here is the list;
    https://www.thealamo.org/remember/battle-and-revolution/defenders#sortByName
     
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    I was talking about the drugs trade.
    What were you talking about?
     

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