Dear Illegal Immigrants...

Who knows. They imported 2 million Cubans knowing they vote Republican, but of course they promised them citizenships, so they are not illegal. Florida would be solid blue without them, so I guess it paid off.

 

I addressed that issue in full.

What I want to know is, why do Republicans assume there is no chance that they could attract a strongly socially conservative Catholic demographic???

 

Yeah, Republicans also promised they would go back and conquer Cuba for them.

 

Polling data.

Since the growth of the "Hispanic" population really skyrocketed during the sixties, most "Hispanics" are first, second, or third generation. They predominately vote Democrat. Or do you think decades of polling on that issue is wrong?

 

That's not an answer to my question.

I know Republicans have not done that well with immigrant populations.

But, that's not surprising given the white supremacy permeating the Republican party today.

Is that really the reason Republicans have assumed they can't appeal to a socially conservative Catholic population?

Or, are there other reasons?

 

Your "white supremacy" BS is simply nonsense.

Anyway I did answer your question. They don't support Republicans. Your question presupposes that immigrants are socially conservative, and being Catholic matters. A hundred years ago a super majority of Catholics voted Democrat. I'm not sure why you think that's a factor. Ultimately the reason why immigrants, legal, illegal, no matter what country vote Democrat is because it more closely aligns with a world wide consensus on the government's role. For example in this Pew Poll of Hispanics:




Americans, and just about only Americans, think of the government's roll as limited in society. Worldwide, everyone else views the government, to a greater or lessor degree, as father, mother, source of stuff.

Now which party in the US is closer to that?

 

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Trump:

That's how Republicans woo Hispanics.

So, pointing out that Hispanics aren't wild about Trump is neither the question nor the answer.

Plus, you point about aid is really not surprising in that they are a poor population that does need help. But, suggesting that so much help is needed that Republicans simply can't provide it is nonsense. And, ignoring the track record of these people working hard and being successful makes no sense.

Let's remember that Republicans hate even the children of illegal immigrants who have grown up here and have graduated college. Thus, they work HARD to get rid of college graduates - WHO WE NEED!

Republicans could make a lot of progress simply by not hating them. Claiming that it would cost too much is just plain ridiculous.

AGAIN, the question is, why do Republicans write off these people as scum they can never attract?

 

Interesting. You bring up Trump, in a topic that had nothing to do with Trump, as if TRUMP is the real reason Republicans are not getting immigrants. Even in your own terms, that doesn't make any sense. Trump increased the GOP's share of Hispanic and other groups. He did far better than the Bush-McCain confab that actively tried to woo Hispanics, and of course much better than the GOP's last Presidential candidate before Trump, Mitt Romney.

So if your "they're not bringing their best" thesis was correct, we should see a crash in Hispanic voting for GOP, instead of the increase we're actually seeing. Please explain that?

As for the rest of your comment, "Let's remember that Republicans hate even the children of illegal immigrants..."

I honestly have no idea what you are referring to or why you think the GOP is trying to "work HARD to get rid of college graduates..."


Sorry you started the comment with a ridiculously wrong thesis, and it seemed to have actually gone down hill from there.

 

The Great Realignment: Woke, white progressives are defining the Democrat Party

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"Democrats are statistically tied with Republicans among Hispanics on the generic congressional ballot, according to a New York Times-Siena College poll out this week. Dems held a 47-point edge with Hispanics during the 2018 midterms…"

Ouch!

"Democrat strategists say the party’s biggest vulnerability is assuming that the priorities of progressive activists are the same as those of working-class voters."

That's because 'progressive' activists are extremists and working class voters are normies.

A "noisy group of “strong progressives” who tend to be white and college educated are setting the tone for the Democrat Party, but that tone is turning off a lot of blue collar people including many Hispanic voters. Look at this data and see if you don’t recognize the people who make up this strong progressive group:"

"Racism is built into our society, including into its policies and institutions vs. Racism comes from individuals who hold racist views, not from our society and institutions. Strong progressives are very, very sure of America’s systemic racism, endorsing the first statement by an amazing 94-6 margin. But Hispanics disagree, endorsing the second statement that racism comes from individuals by 58-36, as do working class voters by 57-33…"

Working Class and Hispanics have identical views, the odd balls are the extremist gentry.

"Transgender athletes should be able to play on sports teams that match their current gender identity vs. Transgender athletes should only be allowed to play on sports teams that match their birth gender. Strong progressives overwhelmingly endorse allowing athletes to play on the sports team that matches their gender identity by 66-19. But Hispanic voters by 64-22 say athletes should only play on teams that match their birth gender; working class voters are almost identical at 63-22."

Same.

"We need to reallocate funding from police departments to social services vs. We need to fully fund the budget for police departments. Strong progressives want to reallocate police funding by 87-12. In contrast, Hispanic voters want full funding of the police by 50-41 and working class voters are even stronger on full funding by 59-31."

A pattern.

"upward mobility and the value of hard work. The strong progressives overwhelmingly don’t believe hard work matters (88%) but a majority of blue collar workers and Hispanics (55% of each group) say it does."

The loud, online, white, woke crazies are only about 10% of the electorate and they have spent a lot of years in university indoctrination. "They are on the far left of every one of these wedge issues and are way out of step with the country as a whole. For example, a recent poll of support for defunding the police (transferring money from police budgets to other priorities) showed it was down to 31% overall but strong progressives support it at 87%."

The Democrat Party has gone off the rails and "emphasized issues with which a majority of blue collar and Hispanic voters just disagree. And that’s what is driving the Great Realignment we’re seeing now."

"The woke left expected to gain seats in the House in 2020 and wound up losing them instead."

“Get woke, go broke. The Democrat Party has emboldened the woke left and now it looks like that has broken, or at least fractured, their long-standing coalition of minority groups. That seems like it’s going to cost Democrats quite substantially."

As it should!

 

That is absolutely not true worldwide. People in Central America, South America, Africa etc know their governments are corrupt to the bone, and far from a father/mother figure. It might be close to the truth in cradle-to-grave EU countries, where people trust their governments, but its not true elsewhere. Places like North Korea want people to consider the state as father or mother, but they know the state is more like a slave owner to them.

So, could Hispanics support Republicans? Of course they could, but as long as the GOP kicks mud in their face, they have no reason to support them.

 

They have money because they created products that people paid them money for and used that money to earn even more money. You don't need a global conspiracy for any of that.

 

I agree with that up until they crossed the line and began actively carrying water for the globalists as activists.

The lowering of ladders for advancement applies more to the political class, but people like Gates and Soros are certainly protected by the class above them.

In terms of the globalist agenda, everything flows down from the banking class. They've been organizing the "world order" since they failed to get The League of Nations up and running.

After that failure they founded the CFR and RIIA, and began to recruit people from business, academia, media, and politics so as to alter the social and cultural landscape to such a degree that the masses would willingly accept their "world order".

They've been at this for over 100 years now. A lot of good books have been written on the subject.

 

You are correct. But it does violate section 230. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. So, take his 230 protection away, and make him liable for the content he curates just like any other public publisher. Be a sport.

 

Actually, you got it upside down. Section 230 protects him.

 

LOL... no... LOL.... wait.... LOL.... sorry, trying to breathe..... LOL.....

 

I actually posted this a few comments up as an answer to your question:

 

Yes, you have a habit of posting stuff that do nothing to prove your claims. Your figure says nothing about your claim about how people view things worldwide.

 

"So, could Hispanics support Republicans?"

Wasn't that the specific issue? I don't have the same polling data on other groups, but I have it on Hispanics and posted it. Hispanics were the group @WillReadmore and I were discussing, so if you totally disagree with my premise, that, people worldwide expect and want more government than Americans in general, you are free to present your own data. So far you've done nothing.

 

The point is that Republicans still claim that the reason for allowing immigrants is for votes.

They claim that is why Dems aren't more purely hateful of immigrants. They ignore that there is no substantive reason to believe that Hispanics aren't approachable by Republicans. They ignore that Republicans don't HAVE to treat them as scum. They ignore that immigrants come here to WORK, and to escape lethal situations involving horrible governments and criminals - not to be political activists.

AND, they claim that illegal immigrants are voting - which they have FAILED to support by any actual evidence, even though they have spent huge time and dollars studying that.


It's time that our immigration policies got a SERIOUS overhaul.

The bipartisan immigration reform bill of 2013 is an example. It was created and backed by Republicans and Democrats, as under Democratic leadership Republicans were given full representation when serious bills were worked out in committee. It had the backing of Sen Rubio and others.

 

Like most plaintive wails for amnesty, this was incoherent. If you believe Republicans HATE and treat illegals like SCUM, there doesn't seem to be any point in discussing it. I made some sustentative, data based comments, and you decided to have an emotional whining reply.

Get back to me when you can discuss an issue in a reasoned way.

 

LOL -

Read the 2013 immigration bill.

Read Trump's comments about Hispanics.

Read the right wing whines about illegal voters.

You clearly don't know this issue at all.

 

I have a subfolder on my browser dedicated to the 2013 Immigration bill, so I think I'm pretty well informed on it. I certainly posted quite a bit about it on this forum. In any case that's pretty far away from what you were originally posting about to me. I see you no longer want to discuss that issue, and now want to discuss a decade old bill that went nowhere.

Interesting.

 

That bill passed the Senate and would have passed the House had speaker Boehner not personally prevented it from coming to a vote.

Your claim of different issues is nonsense. These are all clearly issues of the approach to immigration promoted by Trump and the Republicans.

 

So the 2013 Immigration bill is what you want to talk about now? Heh! OK. I guess the mystery that you were puzzling over as to why the GOP doesn't think it can get many illegals and recent immigrants is solved!

 

A nation regulating its borders is not "hatred"

To make such a claim is absurd.

Knock it off.