“Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers… or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument.” — ‘Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust’ at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000. (1) As the guidelines above instruct, neither @pitbull nor @MuchAdo can or will engage in either "normal historical debate" or "rational argument". Like every professionally deceived holocaustian I've attempted to discuss this topic with, they will not discuss the topic at hand but rather rely on off topic name calling, manufacturing insulting labels, dilettante philosophizing and other evasive rhetorical ploys. Because I have repeatedly refuted the anti German slander that comprises the bulk of the standard holocaust narrative with facts, I have been reviled as a "Nazi", "anti Semite, "liar" and every other epithet in the linguistic arsenal of someone unable to engage in "normal historical debate" or "rational argument". I should, therefore, clarify that I abhor all forms of totalitarianism including Nazism and have had the honor of hosting several Passover Seders for my numerous Jewish friends. However, in discussing the holocaust, not once has any holocaustian I've attempted to engage in substantive debate been willing to explain how there could have been a genocidal German agenda against all Jews when Jewish individuals held high ranking positions in the National Socialist Party and / or Germany's WW 2 military. Among the innumerable other facts that make the standard holocaust narrative impossible are the early and impartial Red Cross Reports (2) that debunk lies about homicidal gas, electrocution or steam chambers. These same impartial reports also reject all charges of a genocide or systematic extermination of Jews. Among the many courageous and ethical Jews who have paid dearly for exposing the various corrupt organizations that comprise the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(3), (4) is Norman Finkelstein whose book, "The Holocaust Industry" sheds light on the liars, crooks, impostors and extortionists whose falsehoods and blackmail have slandered the German people and managed to extract over $ 100 Billion from Germany and numerous other countries and entities around the world. The fraudulent Holocaust Industry is an international crime organization that works to destroy any honest and reputable source or individual that threatens its "product". It's empire of publications, grisly theme parks and sanctioned web sites do not attempt to refute the truth by "normal historical debate" or "rational argument" but like adherents to the holocaustian cult, it relies on off topic slander, accusations of "anti Semitism", deception and evasion. After all, if there were any truth to the standard holocaust narrative, it wouldn't need totalitarian censorship laws to protect it from the truth, "normal historical debate" or "rational argument". Thanks, (1) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE" https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html (2) "RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story." https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/ (3) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (4) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
This is the definition of 'rational' when discussing the holocaust. Holocaust Denial, also known as Holocaust Revisionism, is the attempt to deny or trivialize the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany against Jews and others during World War II. Most Holocaust deniers want to wash away the stain of Nazism in an attempt to make Nazism an acceptable political alternative today. Many have present and past ties with hate groups and are trying to shed that image by masquerading themselves as seekers of historical truth, rather than merchants of bigotry. Holocaust denial is an important tool for anti-Semites. On July 24, 1996, Harold Covington, leader of the National Socialist White People's Party, explained why: "Take away the Holocaust and what do you have left? Without their precious Holocaust, what are the Jews? Just a grubby little bunch of international bandits and assassins and squatters who have perpetrated the most massive, cynical fraud in human history..." Holocaust denial is an updated version of an alleged Jewish conspiracy in which Jews use lies and extortion to gain advantage of everyone else. The common denominator to all Holocaust deniers is anti-Semitism. This ‘big-lie” is especially painful for Holocaust survivors and all those who lost loved ones to Nazi mass murder who are confronted by people who deny their suffering and loss. https://www.museumoftolerance.com/e...caust-resources/what-is-holocaust-denial.html
I've worked as a Psychiatric Case Worker on an inner city Emergency Psychiatric Unit for 10 years and don't think that it's accurate or simple enough to dismiss Hitler as a Psychopath. If Hitler hated all Jews, why did he have a Jewish child as a "Pen Pal" (writing friend)(1)? Why would he have any Jewish friends(2)? Why did he permit Jews to hold high positions in the National Socialist party(3) ? There are just too many exceptions to dismiss Hitler as simply a psychopath. I just think he's more complicated than that. (1) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941 EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday. It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken. Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state. Hitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph." EXCERPT (2). “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked” https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5 EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest. And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote." CONTINUED (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
And then he gave a few more examples that did nothing to prove that over 6 million Jewish people were murdered by Nazi's
MORE SLANDER FROM AANOTHER FRAUDULENT HOLOCAUST THEME PARK Is cutting and pasting more canned libel / slander from another fraudulent, taxpayer funded holocaust theme park the best you can do? Not only has the so called "Museum of Tolerance" been caught misrepresenting an ambulance as a "Nazi Gas Van" but they've also altered photos for a more dramatic effect.[*] Only a fool could continue to believe such outrageous holocaustian hucksters after so much proof of their fraudulence. "FRAUD EXPOSED! Simon Wiesenthal Center’s “Museum” of “Tolerance” https://www.economicsjunkie.com/fraud-exposed-simon-wiesenthal-centers-museum-tolerance/ "Gas Van Film and Photo Fraud” https://codoh.com/library/document/gas-van-film-and-photo-fraud/en/ EXCERPT "In a recent video, Jewish-American revisionist David Cole revealed that the Simon Wiesenthal Center's "Museum of Tolerance" in Los Angeles used to show an allegedly authentic documentary film depicting the gassing of several children in a "Nazi gas van." David Cole found out that the scene shown by the museum had been taken from the 1961 Polish fiction movie "Ambulans" directed by Polish-Jewish filmmaker Janusz Morgenstern.[2] David Cole managed to have the Simon Wiesenthal Center remove this fake "documentary" by instigating Janusz Morgenstern to confront the Center for this obvious copyright violation." CONTINUED [*]. "How the Simon Wiesenthal Center Falsifies History" "Photographic Fraud by a Major Holocaust Organization" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html EXCERPT "A doctored wartime photograph of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp displayed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center on its "educational" web site is a good example of how the influential Holocaust organization falsifies history. The photograph has been altered by adding phony "smoke" to the background, apparently to support survivor testimony about smoke billowing from Birkenau crematory chimneys. The fraud is obvious with a glance at the original photo, which is published in The Auschwitz Album (New York: Random House, 1981), page 126 (photo No. 143)."CONTINUED
MORE PROVEN ANTI GERMAN PROPAGANDA QUOTE="MuchAdo, post: 1073819339, member: 125029"]Film can be seen here. https://archive.org/details/DeathMills[/QUOTE] During, immediately after and up to today, Hollywood's movie moguls have been complicit with the Holocaust Industry and American propagandists in churning out fictional anti German films masquerading as "holocaust documentaries".(1) Perhaps the best example of early, grisly and raw WW 2 propaganda is Billy Wilder's "The Death Mills" which even portrays the long debunked "human skin lampshade", shrunken heads, "Human fat soap" and "human skin pocketbook" props as authentic(2). The infamous piles of bodies were heavily supplemented by the bodies of German civilians and dead German POWs shipped from Eisenhower's real Death Camps. Therefore, most of the bodies featured in this propaganda film are dead Germans, not "innocent Jews". There is little debate that Germany's work camps were in dismal condition at the end of the war because all of Germany was in ruins. The Red Cross blames indiscriminate Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure for the dreadful condition of the camps(3) and, as the only impartial source on this topic, it also found no evidence of Genocide, homicidal gas chambers or a systematic extermination of Jews. So, feel free to watch "The Death Mills" but just remember that it is no more authentic than the nearest "House of Horrors" at your local theme park. (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED (2) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder” https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."" CONTINUED (3) "RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story." https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/
The more I read, the more it's evident that the antisemitic viewpoints of a much linked to website are being parroted repeatedly with weak and laughable examples being given as proof of the 'Holohoax'. Not much critical thinking is being applied by a bunch of antisemitic non-historians. Have real historians worldwide faked the entire history of World War Two? Is there a single Ph.D. historian in the 'revisionist' community? What was Mein Kampf about -- basically Hitler neatly laying out his warrant for genocide and the need to exterminate Jews. How about the Reichstag Speech on January 30th, 1939 -- where, it is recorded, that he talked about the annihilation of Jews. Hitler: Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevisation of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. In a public speech on February 24,1943, Hitler spoke about the extermination of European Jewry. He compared the need to exterminate the Jews with having "exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it." On June 19, 1943, Hitler ordered Himmler to press forward radically with the "evacuation" of the Jews-a term used, and understood, as a euphemism for extermination. Referring to this order, Himmler spoke to a group of generals in May 1944, telling them that he had "uncompromisingly" solved the Jewish "problem." He added: "You can imagine how I felt, executing this soldierly order issued to me, but I immediately complied and carried it out to the best of my convictions." In another speech, to SS generals in Posen, Poland, on October 4, 1943, Himmler was equally clear. "The Jewish race is being exterminated," he said. "It's our programme, and we're doing it. . . . We had the moral right, we had the duty towards our people, to destroy this people that wanted to destroy us."" Himmler also told his SS audience that while "we can talk about it quite openly here . . . we must never talk about it publicly. . . . I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people . . . You know what it means to see 100 corpses piled up, or 500 or 1,000. . . . This is an unwritten, never to he written, glorious page of our history."' Are any of the Antisemites that post their lies on sites like IHR actual historians? Can they refute every bit of imagery, verbal accounts, the words of Hitler and Himmler, printed accounts that exist related to the holocaust? No, they can't because it's absurd to try to state the holocaust didn't happen. It's absurd that a lie about lampshades is translated into six million Jewish people weren't murdered -- not critical thinking. A few accounts of people disputing thousands of verbal accounts translates into the Nazi's didn't do it -- not critical thinking. A few twisted lies about doctored photos disproves the entire history -- no critical thinking there either. Posting the same stuff over and over, produced by holocaust denial/revisionist sites, does not negate the facts of history. Is everybody exaggerating and lying? Where did all the missing relatives of Jewish people go? So not really dead, just haven't contacted their loved ones since World War Two? Himmler reported to Hitler that 363,211 Jews were killed in the last quarter of 1942. A SS statistician called Richard Korherr documented the murder 2.5 million Jews as of March 31st, 1943. There are literally thousands upon thousands of testimonies about the Holocaust collected in Holocaust museums and oral history libraries all over the world. Documents have been found to attest to the murders. The Nazi's managed to destroy a lot evidence, but they couldn't destroy all of it, nor could they destroy the witnesses. Were all these people who gave witness statements in on some conspiracy? Were all these people just 'mistaken'. Are all the liberators of the Concentration Camps lying and did they fake the footage they took at these camps? Were all the Nazi's who attested to these crimes after the war lying as well? At the Nuremberg trials, did any Nazi actually deny that Jewish people were not being murdered? Of course, some people will cling the lies of the holocaust deniers no matter what despite reams of evidence that shows otherwise. Holocaust-denial/revision is nothing more than hate speech and antisemitism. Those who are publishing on sites like IHR have enough brains to obscure what happened using pseudoscientific arguments, trickery, and blatant lies. Obviously those who can't critically think or don't know enough about history or just look for information that agrees with their views accept the obfuscation as the truth. The people doing the lying know they are lying, they want to make people believe them. Maybe the believers are gullible, mentally ill, stupid, ignorant of history (these days, many don't even know the Holocaust existed) -- I don't know why they cling to the absurd beliefs produced by liars. What I know is, the websites that the believers link to are motivated by Neo-Nazis, hate ideology, antisemitism and racism. These people are disgusting and repulsive. Any link from IHR is doctored lying antisemitic bullshit. There are enough facts from real historical books written by real historians, enough witness accounts, photographs, film footage to counter the absurd bullshit some people seem to want to promote as the truth.
Hitler made exceptions. Why you're wondering? National Socialism is not only murderous, but also hypocritical and mendacious. A perfect ideology for criminal-minded people without honor & decency. Hitler's buddy Herman Goering once said: "I decide who's Jewish or not!". That shows clearly what the Nazis were like. Whom they despised, they declared to be Jewish. Those who were useful to them were absolved from Judaism.
That bothered Heinrich Himmler (top manager of the Holocaust) most about his fellow Germans. He said: https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 4029.pdf
Repeating five distorted 'facts' that are based on nothing but distortion and fantasy from sites/people that promote antisemitism/hate speech/Nazi loving/racism is not proof that that the genocide of over 6 million Jewish people didn't happen. There are thousands upon thousands of separate pieces of evidence that prove that it did happen. Maybe the five pathetic examples are supposed to stand up to those thousands upon thousand of pieces of evidence -- voice recordings of hate speech by Hitler and Himmler, Mein Kampf, photographs, films, historical accounts, and personal accounts? I have to say, belief in those few small distorted examples provided by Antisemites is ABSURD and it beggars belief that anybody can actually promote a few examples as proof of anything.
I can't remember when I've read such a hate filled, factually flawed and sanctimonious tantrum so full replete with unsupportable accusations, vitriol and dilettante philosophizing. How can rejecting the physically impossible holocaust narrative be "anti Semitic" when both Germany's National Socialist Party(1) and Germany's WW 2 Military(2) included high ranking Jewish members in both? Next, Hitler's "prophecy" is not an order for the execution of all Europe's Jews when nothing of the sort has been found. A prophecy or prediction is only an order in the minds of desperate holocaustians to validate their cult beliefs. “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 Then, you've chosen to regurgitate the same distorted mistranslations that misuse the word "exterminate". When I read those quotes in the original German about 50 years ago, they said nothing about the mass murder of people transferred to the East. The word "exterminate" in those earlier English translations meant to "drive beyond boundaries", "expel" etc, not to murder. *exterminate (v.) 1540s, "drive away," from Latin exterminatus, past participle of exterminare "drive out, expel, put aside, drive beyond boundaries," also, in Late Latin "destroy," from phrase ex termine "beyond the boundary," from ex "out of" (see ex-) + termine, ablative of termen "boundary, limit, end" (see terminus). * https://www.etymonline.com/word/exterminate Re: Yes, there's Moshe Peer who claimed to survive 6 homicidal gassings at Bergen Belsen and Irene Zisblatt who claimed to eat and defecate diamonds and have 2 post-sterilization children but only people gullible enough to believe that the Germans could murder about 11 million people and make their bodies disappear believe such moronic and hate filled anti German slander. The most credible source, the Red Cross, however found: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. On the other hand, the wealthy, influential and fraudulent Holocaust Industry that profits from extortion began down its road of deception with outright lies about "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads and other deliberate and staged frauds has been caught numerous times coaching fake "eyewitnesses" and making false claims to extort money from the post war German taxpayers (4), (5) Of course no slanderous holocaustian hate screed would be complete without defaming organizations like IHR and other sources who endanger the fraudulent Holocaust Industry with irrefutable facts. For example IHR is just one of several credible sources that exposed a Holocaust Industry theme park for altering photographs: "How the Simon Wiesenthal Center Falsifies History" http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html EXCERPT "Similarly, there is no trace of crematory smoke in any of the Allied aerial reconnaissance photos taken of Auschwitz and Birkenau on random days in 1944. Cremation specialists affirm that crematories do not produce visible smoke. In short, the available evidence does not support the "billowing smoke" claims of many former inmates."CONTINUED That's why hate filled holocaustians despise IHR and firebomb its offices for threatening the holocaust fables with the truth. Finally, there is nothing you have written that does anything to validate your outrageous and impossible beliefs, just empty libel and hate filled slander targeting the majority of people around the world who do not believe grossly distorted and exaggerated holocaustian lore. You do realize that most people on this planet do not believe the “product” so crassly marketed and exploited by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry? (6) "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates (1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED (3) "RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story." https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/ (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (5) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (6) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."CONTINUED
Re: I've already shown that according to Jewish sources, the world's Jewish population grew during the WW 2 era.(1) That could not have happened if 6 million Jews had been murdered. The "6 million Jews" murdered, starving, endangered, figure has been repeatedly claimed over 150 times. There is absolutely no factual basis for the "6 million Jews and 5 million others" claim. Simon Wiesenthal simply made up both figures and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry spreads it as fact. (1) "Was there Really a Holocaust?" https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED (2) "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945" http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html
The article / poll below is an ADL study that shows that most people around the world who have heard of the holocaust do not believe the standard holocaust narrative. Do you really think the every one of those people is a racist, Neo Nazi anti Semite? I realize that this can be a volatile topic and that neither one of us is likely to convert the other to our way of thinking but in the meantime I hope our exchange can become more civil and respectful. Good night... ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."CONTINUED
Over 80 percent of students in the UK can't name any genocide that occurred post WW2 -- oh noes, does that means that genocides in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, East Timor and Rwanda didn't occur? No it doesn't. That kind of reasoning is absurd. Perhaps, if one were to explain to these students the atrocious behaviour of human beings during these genocides, they might not fully believe these genocides occurred because of the level of brutality. It's hard to believe people act this way unless you see it yourself. They might need some full and true historical facts for such belief to occur. Just because a bunch of polled people believe something doesn't mean diddly. How much did they know in the first place? Who are they? Have they been exposed to the voice recordings of Hitler and Himmler, read Mein Kampf, heard the stories of survivors, seen thousands of images, seen the films of liberators, heard Nazi's themselves describe the atrocities they committed. These people are not Anti Semites until they start acting like Anti Semites. I will never convert into thinking like an Anti Semite. I will never condone the despicable actions of those who promote the lies that the Nazi's didn't order and carry out the murder of over 6 million Jews. Those who constantly promote this revisionist history are disgusting Anti Semites. I live in a country where free speech is allowed and if people are behaving like Anti Semites, it is not libelous, nor uncivil, nor disrespectful to say so. During the World War 2 many deaths went unrecorded. Most sources suggest that 75 million died in the war. 20 million military people 40 million civilians -- many died due to deliberate genocide, massacres, bombings, disease and starvation Soviet Union lost around 27 million people. 8.7 million military people 19 million civilians An estimated 11 to 17 million civilians died either as a direct or indirect result of Nazi ideological policies. the systematic geocide of around 6 million Jews 5 - 6 million ethnic Poles and other Slavs, Roma, homosexuals and other ethnic minority groups. You can read about it at the following link -- https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/ What a big fat whopping lie produced by Anti Semites that the Jewish population grew during the WW2 era. Linking to Anti Semitic revisionist websites is not proof of history. It's lies. There are thousands of history books, website archives, verbal accounts, images, films, accounts by Nazi's, the recordings of Hitler and Himmler, the verbal Anti Semitic vomit contained in Mein Kampf that proves that over six million Jewish people were murdered by the Nazi's. A few links to Anti Semitic websites proves nothing except Anti Semites are actively promoting lies and hate speech which they try to disguise as something else.
It looks like we're having an exchange here anyway so we might as well make it productive and factual. As I wrote yesterday: "I hope our exchange can become more civil and respectful.", but based on your continued insulting tone, I suppose it's up to me to see how many more emotional ad hominems I'll tolerate. Quibbling over millions of people killed in this one episode of mass murder is missing the point. First, what do mean by "The Holocaust"? It sounds like you think that the suffering of Jewish people is somehow more profound because of their religion / ethnic background when so many more suffered at least as much. Aren't all people supposed to be equal? The suffering, tortures, mass executions, concentration camps and starvation went on long after WW 2 was over. I already clarified that I abhor all forms of totalitarianism so your accusations of "Nazi" are as false as "anti Semite”. Please calm down.
When will people understand that libel refers to written, whereas slander refers to oral. If you can't get this fact straight after it is explained, then what can one get straight. If I make a false statement online to purposefully ruin someone's very famous reputation -- that is libel. If I make a false statement in a speech to people to purposefully ruin someone's very famous reputation -- that is slander. It is impossible to 'libel' some unknown person on the internet if their real name isn't known. Nor can you libel a whole group of people. Libel and slander refer to a false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation. As far as 'slandering' 'Germans' -- I do not equate 'Nazi's' with 'Germans'. to be a German is to hold German citizenship there are also Germans, who don't live in Germany but have ties to the German language, culture, and history even though they don't hold German citizenship. A Nazi is anyone who supported, or supports, Nazi political ideology that is stated in various writings and speeches of Nazi leaders and thinkers. Bureaucratically, during the 1930's and 1940's, you could be considered a Nazi if you were a card carrying member of the Nazi party. It didn't matter what your beliefs actually were. Many were part of the Nazi party but did not believe in the ideology of racial purity or any other of the rantings of Der Fuhrer. It was the only party in Germany, many had no choice but to publicly show support. Obviously in the 1930's and 1940's there was a lot of overlap between 'Nazi' and 'German' but the two were entirely separate categories. Not all Nazis were Germans. Many many many Germans (including the Jewish Germans) were not Nazis. In my mind I don't even think of Germans when I consider Nazi's. I don't think German. I think Nazi. I don't equate Germans today with Nazism. I am referring to Nazi's as any person during the war who prescribed to the ideology in Mein Kampf, who participated in hate crimes against Jewish people and any other persons they chose to murder because they weren't 'aryan' or because they were 'subhuman'. Those Nazi's who participated in shooting Jewish people, stripping them of all humanity, herding them into Ghettoes and starving them, herding them onto trucks and into Concentration camps and gassing them, herding them into ravines and shooting them, taking everything they own, and treating them like human scum. Any person on this planet who lies about the Holocaust and espouses Nazi ideology is a despicable Anti Semite. Nobody should support this kind of ideology. And that is not slander, nor bigotry. One does need to post information on this forum to refute historical facts. It's all there for the taking -- in speeches, books, images, films, oral accounts. The Anti Semites who manufacture twisted altered facts feel it is necessary, it's not. It's just proving they are absurd Anti Semites espousing hate speech. This world is a crazy place when being civil and respectful includes calling somebody a 'bigot', accusing them of 'slander', calling then uncivil, and dishonest. That is neither civil nor respectful. Denying/revising the holocaust, supporting the Nazi ideology using a few examples from obvious Anti-Semitic websites is not proving anything. It's supporting a nasty ideology that involves the repeated distortion of actual history. To refute the thousands upon thousands of pieces of evidence with illogical minimal evidence is just showing an Anti Semitic ideology. You can't change history. I don't need to prove anything, it's all there. I guess the people these Anti Semites are trying to sway are those who don't know anything about the Nazis and their murder of millions. I do not support the ideology of Nazis. There are none so blind that those who can't see.
Former neo-Nazi Bela Ewald Althans believed that denying the Holocaust is crucial to make Nazism a respected ideology again. He himself always denied the Holocaust during his active time in the Nazi scene. But he deliberately lied, as he later said. IMHO lots of neo-Nazis do it like him. They deny the Holocaust but don't believe their own lies. They're just pretending. I think most of them do it that way. You have to be very-very stupid to "honestly" deny the Holocaust. But most neo-Nazis are of average intelligence and know that the HC actually did happen.
Revisionism = molds facts to fit a preconceived result. Events that have been objectively and empirically proven to have occurred are denied. Revisionists conclude that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt and to distort the facts to agree with that conclusion. Examples of revisionist websites: www.biblebelievers dot org -- an Anti Semitic website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Believers) http://www.whatreallyhappened dot info -- founder, Michael Rivero, is a well-known Holocaust denier and antisemite -- https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Talk:Whatreallyhappened.com http://counterpsyops dot com -- included in a list of fake, false, regularly misleading, and otherwise questionable “news” organizations that are commonly shared on facebook and other social media sites. Many of these websites rely on “outrage” by using distorted headlines and decontextualized or dubious information in order to generate likes, shares, and profits. (https://www.mcgill-toolen.org/ourpa...ter 12 The Media/Questionnable news sites.pdf) https://codoh dot com -- admit they are a holocaust revisionist website on their 'about' page https://fullcontrol dot se -- another obviously revisionist website dedicated to denying the murder of 6 million Jews http://www.ihr dot org -- The Institute for Historical Review (IHR) is a United States-based nonprofit organization which promotes Holocaust denial. It is considered by many scholars to be central to the international Holocaust denial movement. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review) One can't claim they possess irrefutable facts when relying on the above sites compared to the huge amount of credible evidence that exists elsewhere — government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records, museums’ worth of artifacts, not to mention the remains of the concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria themselves.
Re: Yes you do or else you wouldn't support the fraudulent holocaust narrative that's been used to extort over $ 100 Billion from the German people, many of whom were not even born until after the war. Additionally, if you really didn't equate Nazis with Germans, you would loudly condemn the farcical post war "Trials" that were used to torture confessions out of German POWs and civilians and murder them by the thousands. Of course you defame all Germans with your fraudulent yet very profitable holocaust narrative. Re: The "6 million Jews" is simply a kabalistic number that has been used over 150 times (1) in just 45 years to artificially magnify the degree of already significant Jewish suffering since 1900. As early as January, 1944, Jewish organizations were claiming that 6 million Jews had already been killed(1). Perhaps a more compelling fact that debunks the "6 million Jews murdered" myth is the absence of human remains. Air photo evidence shows that there are no mass graves where they are claimed to be: "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two."(2) To the best of my knowledge, the most thorough search for mass graves has been at Treblinka where two extensive surveys were done but neither team of experts were able to find any mass graves in the area where they were supposed to have been located. (3), (4) The same absence of mass graves is the case at all the other former German work camps so all the "mountains of documents", fake photos and conflicting eyewitness accounts are meaningless without hard evidence to support the fraudulent Holocaust narrative. (1) "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945" http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html - "1944 - The Palestine Post, January 23rd, 1944: "Only a handful of Polish Jews survived the extermination. They were now either with the partisans in the forests or living as Crypto-Jews. The death toll was six million, they declared." (2) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html (3) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED (4) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves” https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED
Revisionism = molds facts to fit a preconceived result. Events that have been objectively and empirically proven to have occurred are denied. Revisionists conclude that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt and to distort the facts to agree with that conclusion. Examples of revisionist websites: www.biblebelievers dot org -- an Anti Semitic website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Believers) http://www.whatreallyhappened dot info -- founder, Michael Rivero, is a well-known Holocaust denier and antisemite -- https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Talk:Whatreallyhappened.com http://counterpsyops dot com -- included in a list of fake, false, regularly misleading, and otherwise questionable “news” organizations that are commonly shared on facebook and other social media sites. Many of these websites rely on “outrage” by using distorted headlines and decontextualized or dubious information in order to generate likes, shares, and profits. (https://www.mcgill-toolen.org/ourpages/users/tenhunm/ap_us_gov/Chapter 12 The Media/Questionnable news sites.pdf) https://codoh dot com -- admit they are a holocaust revisionist website on their 'about' page https://fullcontrol dot se -- another obviously revisionist website dedicated to denying the murder of 6 million Jews http://www.ihr dot org -- The Institute for Historical Review (IHR) is a United States-based nonprofit organization which promotes Holocaust denial. It is considered by many scholars to be central to the international Holocaust denial movement. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review) One can't claim they possess irrefutable facts when relying on the above sites compared to the huge amount of credible evidence that exists elsewhere — government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records, museums’ worth of artifacts, not to mention the remains of the concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria themselves.
Even though you've posted no: "......government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records," to support the fraudulent holocaust narrative, you have found a few bias web sites to defame a few sources I have used. It's hardly a surprise that the Zionist dominated Wikipedia (1), (2) condemns anything that refutes the holocaust narrative. As far as "Bible Believers", the excerpt I chose used Jewish sources: "Was there Really a Holocaust?" https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED So, you've written ad hominem comments about me, condemned the majority of the human race who doesn't believe the standard holocaust narrative as so called "anti Semites" defamed Revisionists etc but when it comes to explaining why there are no mass graves at Treblinka, you're rendered mute. (1) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia” http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites. This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
Revisionism = molds facts to fit a preconceived result. Events that have been objectively and empirically proven to have occurred are denied. Revisionists conclude that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt and to distort the facts to agree with that conclusion. Examples of revisionist websites: www.biblebelievers dot org -- an Anti Semitic website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Believers) http://www.whatreallyhappened dot info -- founder, Michael Rivero, is a well-known Holocaust denier and antisemite -- https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Talk:Whatreallyhappened.com http://counterpsyops dot com -- included in a list of fake, false, regularly misleading, and otherwise questionable “news” organizations that are commonly shared on facebook and other social media sites. Many of these websites rely on “outrage” by using distorted headlines and decontextualized or dubious information in order to generate likes, shares, and profits. (https://www.mcgill-toolen.org/ourpages/users/tenhunm/ap_us_gov/Chapter 12 The Media/Questionnable news sites.pdf) https://codoh dot com -- admit they are a holocaust revisionist website on their 'about' page https://fullcontrol dot se -- another obviously revisionist website dedicated to denying the murder of 6 million Jews http://www.ihr dot org -- The Institute for Historical Review (IHR) is a United States-based nonprofit organization which promotes Holocaust denial. It is considered by many scholars to be central to the international Holocaust denial movement. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review) One can't claim they possess irrefutable facts when relying on the above sites compared to the huge amount of credible evidence that exists elsewhere — government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records, museums’ worth of artifacts, not to mention the remains of the concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria themselves.
