I don't accept the notion that being dead gives one information, let alone information on what a god might do. Also, I don't see any attempt to poll those of various religions who have equal claims of having died and thus being better informed. What would near-death Muslims and Jews claim here? What would those of non-Abrahamic faiths who nearly died now say? I'd point out that your comment here doesn't answer the previous questions concerning the Holocaust.
The near death experience accounts of Muslims are truly quite fascinating. I totally agree with you on that question. https://near-death.com/islam/ Near-Death Experiences and Islam BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019 Here is a near death experience where a Christian... has a brush with death... finds a Muslim friend in heaven..... and is surprised. Emanuel Tuwagirairmana’s Near-Death Experience BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019
Who did Emanuel tell this story to that it is told here? He was dead and his body was rotting. How did his story get out?
Here is the comment from Kevin Williams.... Emanuel Tuwagirairmana’s Near-Death Experience BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019
Why did you bother citing more examples of near death dreams of Christians??? The question I raised was about the dreams of those of OTHER religions. And, you still dodge on the Holocaust question.
This webpage is all about the NDE accounts of Muslims. https://near-death.com/islam/ And the NDE account by the Christian showed them seeing people of other faiths in heaven. That seemed like an important point that tends to verify what former Atheist Howard Storm saw about the events in higher invisible dimensions for the victims of the Holocaust.
I'd still like to know how we know about this. According to the posts his body was rotting away. Could he talk as his jaw fell off?
My impression is that he had a dramatic healing on a level up there with Lazarus.... but even more extreme???????? There is an unusual prediction relevant to The Holocaust that comes to mind.... there were times in history when Jews and Israelites had gone so far into darkness that YHWH promised to raise up even the armies that opposed them. So this chapter does deal with @WillReadmore 's question about YHWH having times of anger against His own people. https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jer/37/10/s_782010
If I am not mistaken..... one of the issues behind many of your questions would be whether or not YHWH loves Americans..... in a manner that can be compared with how YHWH loves Jews?????? I believe that the answer to this question has been given to three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater...... regarding what happened to the three thousand or more souls who died on September 11, 2001! Although the number of three thousand is a lot less than six million... none the less..... surely we can think of the three thousand victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.... as being somewhat like those six million victims of The Holocaust on the Jewish people during the Nazi era. Three time near death experiencer sees the souls of the September 11, 2001 victims....
What I saw was Muslims being witnessed by Christian NDE experiencers. The view of NDE Christians is still a totally Christian view. Plus, let's remember that Christians do not believe Muslims (or those of any other faiths) can go to heaven. If these NDE folks disagree, they need to start by correcting Christianity.
RE: About the Holocaust SUBTOPIC: Understanding, Enlightenment, and alternative view on the Supreme Being. ※→ WillReadmore, Dennis Tate, Esau, Kokomojojo, et al, The last few sets of contributions are amazing! As the external observer, I read and re-read the commentary and find it to give me something new each time I read the discussion. I find an ever-increasing appreciation for each of you and your insights. The Supreme Being (The Creator, The First Cause, The Infinite Presence, etc) has, from the point of view of a mortal (humanity), the three "God Powers" (Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence) cannot be examined using the tools (computational powers of the mind) humanity has at its disposal. Philosophically, humanity cannot universally define either "truth," → "the end of conscientiousness" (death), → the "supernatural," → or "infinity." (COMMENT) Understanding the intentions of a Supreme Being is a mental expansion, logical development, and spiritual safari - all at once. "IF" there is a Supreme Being, "THEN" how can humanity originate from a divine spark and yet, be flawed? Does that not mean (logically) that a perfect human is impossible for the Supreme Being to create - or - could it be that the "Supreme Being is producing "imperfection" and the flaws of humanity are the tools of the Creator? Most Respectfully, R
Here is one of the most astonishing articles on what is happening on this earth and why.... that I personally have ever found. What I find to be kind of scary about this line of thought though is that this would mean that we humans have more power..... and thus more responsibility for how world events work out than we tend to imagine. https://near-death.com/future/ Perhaps it was almost impossible to explain ideas like this until our technologically advanced era was finally here. Jeremiah 23:20 King James Version (KJV)The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
I numbered your above comments to make it easier to respond to them and start by saying the reason you did not answer your own questions is because you can not quote your sources because they either do not exist or come from web sites you hide because you no they are blatantly anti-semitic and racist. In regards to 1 answer your question and quote your source. Finish it. In regards to 2, Bush was not a Jew and he was in Germany to do business like Ford and many other American industrialists and Joe Kennedy the Amabassador to the UK who all supported Hitler. In regards to 3, the source you quote has been repudiate numerous times as false. If you were a quarter Jew you were a Jew. If you had any connection to a Jew by marriage and it was found out you were arrested and sent to the camps. No German citizen with any marriage relationship to a Jew or no how matter how remotely related to a Jew they were, ended up in camps. That is historic fact proven by the Nazi records of who was in the camps, why they were placed in the camps from Nazi records. In regards to 4, what "Zionist" news papers do you refer to and why did you not reproduce their names? In regards to 5, which Jews lent money to the Nazi regime. Name them and your source and the evidence. In fact the only Jews who provided Hitler financing were the ones whose finances were forcefully confiscated. This is in fact part of an anti semitic canard based on repudiated false stories of Zionist Jews working with Hitler. In regards to 6, how did Hitler allow a country be built for Jews. Palestine was in fact occupied by the British. Hitler had no control of Palestine. In fact he had as his house guest throughout WW2 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem the mentor of Yair Arafat who broadcast regularly from Berlin where he lived in a confiscated Jewish home calling on Arabs across the Middle East to fight against the British. Again this is a passive aggressive half assed attempt to advance the canard that Zionists and Nazis created a Jewish state. The British sent Jews back to their death in Europe rather than allow them to flee to Palestinians and the ones who did get in were smuggled in and faced being shot at as they were smuggled in on the beaches from Cyprus. So not only are your false remarks absolutely false but I challenge you as deliberately inciting hatred against Jews because history makes it bloody obvious Britain even after WW2 did not support a Jewish homeland and in fact broke their treaty with the League of Nations to assist in creating a Jewish state and did everything in their power to thwart it. Then after WW2 in 1949 numerous Nazis moved to Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and in fact ran their armies, defence ministries, police forces and ministries of communication and then joined an alliance of British and French soldiers who spear headed the Arab League armies try wipe out all the Jews of Palestine. Your attempt to pretend you do not know this and Nazis supported an Israeli state is past a crock of false excrement. 7-Julius Streicher was a rabid Jew hating Nazi tried and hung at Nuremberg precisely for inciting hatred and genocide through his publications and this is who you quote as a source of credibility? The laws of who is a Jew and the Aryan definition of a Jew were not and are not based on the same laws and anyone can look that up. This is an anti-semitic canard that suggests Zionism defines Jews as a race with superior rights to non Jews. It does not and never did. 8-You end by showing your true political agenda and that is to engage in anti-semitic attacks on Jews to incite hatred for Jews because your true agenda is to call Jews Nazis, a spent technique used by Russian, Syrian, North Korean, Iranian, government disinformation trolls, Hamas, and other Middle Eastern terror groups. In fact its been repeated and traced back to disinformation trolls to the point where anyone can find out where your comments come from and that is why you do not cite them. You came on this thread like a dung fly to crap. You saw the word holocaust and it trigged an automated troll response and will continue to respond to certain words to incite and bait anti Jewish comments.
Shalom Death....... I do hope that I can make it to Israel one of these days...... [If I happen to have tickets to Israel in my hands one of these days I will likely send you a P. M. here on the forum]...... or perhaps you can make it to Mississauga...... and the fact is that I am pretty easy to find......... I may even soon begin to make plans to actually mount a little very likely campaign to become Mayor of Mississauga.... but...... ... you never know.......... I might just win an election one of these years????????? My theory is quite politically incorrect but....... .... you might rather like it........ My theory is that near death experiencer and former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava is probably one of the most accurate theologians on this earth........ ..... and Orthodox Jewish historian Yair Davidiy is no joke to simply be made fun of. Mr. Yair Davidiy asserts that daughters of King Zedekiah were taken to Ireland......... in the life time of Jeremiah the Prophet. He asserts that a King of Ireland married a daughter of King Zedekiah and that the Davidic kingly line was transferred to Ireland..... then later moved to Scotland..... and then later moved to London. .... .... This theory really annoys most Orthodox Jews but....... .... if this theory is significantly accurate it would answer many troubling questions from history......... ...... The first time that the word Jew appears in the Bible..... mentions them being at war with ISRAEL.... specifically Samaria........... led by the descendants of King Jereboam who rebelled against the son of King Solomon...... ..... I feel that I am a descendant of Ephrayim..... ... and I believe that our guilt is so off the scale heavy that we have a tendency to identify with former Covering Cherub Halel... who is known to Christians and Lucifer Satan.... who I have renamed "Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan"..... .... I believe that Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan is hoping that Moshiach ben Ephrayim will be somebody who will expand and expand and expand the reign of Moshiach Son of David.... first into the realm of Azazel.....and then later into all the hellish realms of the fallen angels....... fallen aliens....... fallen Watchers..... fallen children and grandchildren of the fallen Watchers........ [who incidentally married the granddaughters of Cain and Luluwa.... assuming at least the partial validity of the ancient Book of Adam and Eve]!!?? Orthodox Jewish historian Yair Davidiy asserts that Moshiach ben Ephrayim will be a descendant of both Joshua son of Nun..... but also of King Jereboam........ .... but he will think differently and will succeed in building at least one..... if not two......... and perhaps even THREE Jewish Temples..... by Jews...... and for Jews........ .... [my suggestion would be for the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex to be built first... due to the off the scale powerful literal and hidden meaning in Ezekiel chapter forty seven..... that to me sounds like ti would be win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win..... win for nine point four million Israel..... all the Jordanians...... all Egyptians..... all the people of Lebanon........ and even all the Palestinians but their Russian handlers would tend to be very unlikely to admit to this rather obvious truth........... but some of them will....... ... because a shift is happening....... ..... and just as something similar to the kingdoms of King David and King Solomon COULD theoretically have occurred during the time of the Danite Judge Samson..... .... so also this year......... could begin something that DOES NOT have to be delayed to the year 6000..... on the Jewish calendar....... ..... ..... My theory is that we English aristocrats..... forced our monarchs..... to use the Jewish people........ as "goats for Azazel"..... as "scapegoats".... again and again and again and again and again..... ..... decade after decade.... century after century.......... for these past roughly 2500 years!!!!!! Look at what English aristocrats like my cousins did in Ireland....... ... look at what we did in India and Africa.... look at the genocide on the First Nations Tribes of Newfoundland....... .... Think about the fact that very likely only the presence of the French in Nova Scotia saved the First Nations people of Nova Scotia!!!!! And yet.... in spite of all of this...... we evil English..... were reading the Jewish Prophets... and the Law.... and we were making a bit of effort now and again to improve....... and some of us did assist Lincoln to free the slaves in America..... and some of us taught English and lots of others subjects to our very dark skinned children and grandchildren...... ... and now those children have grown up..... ..... “Ephraim mixes himself with the peoples; Ephraim is a cake not turned.” (Hosea 7:. Now Hosea.... was not entirely politically correct himself..... and perhaps even Hosea may not have clued to the full implications of The Dr. Ian Stevenson research..... and to the implications of the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism as only somebody like Rabbi Alon Anava could really explain it....... ....... Englishmen like me.... stopped the Royal Air Force from bombing the railway lines of Hitler which would have saved perhaps a million lives or more...... ... Englishmen like me.... stopped free and open Jewish immigration to Palestine...... even after the horrors of the Holocaust were common knowledge among military leaders among the allies...... ..... .... Anti-Semitism was serious here in Canada or the M. S. St. Louis would not have been turned away in 1939! Anti-Semitism was serious in the USA or the M. S. St. Louis would not have been turned away from Miami by the Coast Guard previous to its being turned away from Halifax, Nova Scotia...... ...... But.... the key to this whole mess is to deeply understand the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism...... Death.... I suffer from the delusion of grandeur that you Sir are very likely my great, great, great, great grandson.... from one or more of my possible.... if not even probable past lives....... as a Jewish person.......... previous to my reincarnation here in Nova Scotia, Canada?! http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html [Near death experiencer Christian Andreason] ..... .... Death..... this is a thought that scares me quite a bit........ but a part of me...... whether it would be my human spirit or my human soul, [my mind, will and emotions]...... I am not really sure....... but I might even have been one or more of your GRANDMOTHERS some decades or centuries in the past??????????~~~~ Thank you for setting me up Death to relate the topic of The Holocaust.... to what sure looks to me like a rather recent continuation of the same sort of planning???????!!!!! http://www.politicalforum.com/index...inst-bill-gates.591367/page-4#post-1074438325
I now respond to Rocco who stated: "Understanding the intentions of a Supreme Being is a mental expansion, logical development, and spiritual safari - all at once. "IF" there is a Supreme Being, "THEN" how can humanity originate from a divine spark and yet, be flawed? Does that not mean (logically) that a perfect human is impossible for the Supreme Being to create - or - could it be that the "Supreme Being is producing "imperfection" and the flaws of humanity are the tools of the Creator?" One possible answer to you is this. The concept of the creator of all things would necessarily presume of a concept we can't conceive or understand because of the limitations placed on us in our present material dimension and form that cause us the inability to perceive of concepts outside our material dimension. It could be this concept refers to everything that was, is or will be. If this concept refers to everything that was, is or will be it would also necessarily be everything and nothing simultaneously, a paradox our brain in its material world can not conceive as one and the same. However that is in essence what this concept would be both everything and so nothing, nothing and so everything. With that in mind its inaccurate to call it imperfect or perfect-it is both at once but they all exist in a reconciled or balanced state of concept. The theory is for this totality of nothing and everything to know only part of itself, it would need to dettach a part of itself, as you say a spark, to experience itself outside the paradox called the creator or origin of all or nothing. That spark detaching would necessarily only be a part of everything that was, is or will be the difference being due to its detachment, it now is able to create its own reconciliation of all and nothing through the discovery of meaning by experiencing an unreconciled all or nothing in itself that it now must continually struggle to reconcile. This constant struggle to reconcile the all and nothing fuels its never ending journey to find meaning from the lessons it learns from each time it is able to reconcile the two from a new challenge. In that sense it was dettached to remain deliberately flawed in never being all or nothing at the same time as its originator so it can experience itself creating other sparks from itself and feel what it is like to create, the one thing it could not conceive as part of the whole in the paradox. The original sending of the spark was cased because the paradox can now witness the spark balance evil and good, all and nothing, but never in an absolute sense like the creator but in a temporary fluctuating sense from perfect to imperfect and back again. An illustration of this is to look at a fractal diagram. It has a never ending accumulation of changing forms inside itself but also on its edges. That is the same with life that continually mutates in shape and meaning as it struggles to constantly reconcile the extremes. So its not so much we are flawed as we were created with that constant clash to fuel our need to constantly seek new meanings from the challenge its imbalances create, something the original source can not do but can witness through us.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What you just wrote is exactly what many near death experiencers have written in the past and Wow..... this is a mind blowing concept!!!!!! What do you think of the idea of our Creator... The G-d of Abraham.. .HaShem.... in a sense "LEARNING" .... or could we say "evolving" as our Creator learns and gets better and better and better at creation???????!!!!! I believe that this idea is at least hinted at when our Creator made the statement that NOW....... after a certain choice was made...... that in that progression of time..... after our Grandfather Abraham made a certain choice..... THEN...... our Creator Knew Abraham???????!!!!! So did our Creator not really KNOW Abraham before that important decision???????? Death..... what you just wrote is highly quotable.... because I am lazy and I so love quoting somebody else when they write something brilliant! Oh.... I think that you will immediately see the relevance of the strange dream that I woke up to this morning...... http://www.politicalforum.com/index...extra-terrestrial-and.613578/#post-1074440791 Oh.. I should also leave you with a brilliant quotation from a near death experiencer who in my opinion... is very much on the same page as you are on this topic!!! http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html Christian Andreason, chapter three.....
RE: About the Holocaust SUBTOPIC: Understanding, Enlightenment, and alternative view on the Supreme Being. ※→ Dennis Tate, Death, et al, I respect the two concepts that have been presented and proposed. However, I must reject them. IF there is such a thing as the "Supreme Being" (Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence), THEN you cannot put limitations on the capabilities that is inferred. (COMMENT) The "Supreme Being" [The Creator, The First Cause, The Infinite Presence, (Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence)] You cannot in one sense, say that "The Creator" the maker of all things is "learning" about that which the "Supreme Being" created. That would be like a Chef making chicken soup, but then → placed in the position that the Chef must taste it to know (learn about) what it was the Chef made. IF the outcome of the Chef's making was not Chicken Soup, THEN the outcome is flawed (the Chef made a mistake). The only reason humanity has such things as a serial killer or an Adolf Hitler (or anything bad at all) is because the "Creator" made it so. When it comes time to face the "Creator" there is no sin to confess or to make an account. Because the "Creator" made it so. IF the "Supreme Being" wanted a perfect world, THEN the "divine will" (using the three God Powers) would have made it so to begin with. In the story of Adam and Eve - and the Tree of Knowledge, the "Supreme Being" already knew the outcome → that the covenant would be broken (do not eat the fruit from this certain tree). IF it was the 'Divine Will" of the "Supreme Being" (an imperative) that Adam and Eve should not eat from the Tree, THEN Adam and Eve should not have had the capacity to break the "Divine Will." But since the "Divine Will" was broken → that brings into question as to what "Divine Will" of a God, the Supreme Being, the Creator of All Things, the First Cause of Energy and motion, and the existing Presence and Influence across all time in any dimension of the creation, actually means? A splinter to the question of "Divine Will" is → does the "Supreme Being" actually have any wants and needs? Most Respectfully, R
Or..... it could be that the Creator is powerful enough to give created beings genuine freedom of choice........ that those created being have some actual power over!!!!!! Are you saying that the Creator cannot give created beings genuine freedom of choice..... which could alter the outcomes? Also.... does the Creator have the power and the capability of creating a multiverse........... where new time lines are spun off but...... we could be unaware of those other time lines in our time line. In a multiverse a negative outcome could be delayed to a later date and somewhat decreased in intensity in comparison to another time line. One possible implication of multiverse would be that all of us have vulunteered to have copies made of us that have our DNA.... but may have made different choices due to less or more of the Holy Spirit being poured out in those other time lines. Former Atheist Howard Storm wrote something intriguing about one time line in which all the positive prediction of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets and the law will come to pass. https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/ Isaiah was shown a Creator Who is afflicted in our afflictions........ enduring the afflictions of eight billion people who have made such bad choices must be off the scale difficult. Isaiah 63 ..... 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 63&version=KJV
Did a million Iraqi children really die though? The Unicef number of 500,000 was roundly rejected. I have not heard anyone grow that number, or attempt to. I think any argument that the US treated non-combatants grossly unfairly, in Iraq, would need some facts to back that up. All wars are bad. All killing is bad. But I think if a million children died, in one of the most unpopular wars in American history, that would have been a major news story, for many months, if not years. And yet, it was not. Also, if you are doing math, you can't get where you are going without Pol Pot or Mao in your numbers, for mass deaths.
This entire thread subject which is the holocaust is not a Middle East political conflict and yet was lumped under it. Why? It should be under Religion, Other-History & Culture, but NOT Middle East. The use of the holocaust by anti Israelis to justify their being against an Israeli state is a political bias and does NOT make the holocaust a Middle East political event. The holocaust occurred in Europe, specifically Western and Eastern Europe and is related to European history and anti-semitism a historic and cultural concept. I was very disappointed to see this topic thrown under the title ME. Its a classic knee jew jerk reaction. Holocaust-Jews, ah it must be a Zionist Jew Israel thing. It is a bigoted assumption. In fact it attacks all Jews for being Jews by raising it as a Middle East political conflict. The nation of Israel was not just created because of the holocaust for holocaust survivors. That is false based on erroneous assumptions as to history, culture and religion and so all much better to start with that ignorance of assumption and put it into the proper academic category. https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/holocaust-antisemitism.html This quote below from its larger essay summarizes why now precisely because of the current conflict in the Middle Est in Gaza lumping the holocaust under Middle East has to be called out and this is the only political forum I know that persists in placing the holocaust topic under Middle East Politics: "There is no factual or coherent parallel that can be drawn between contemporary events in Gaza and the historic events of the Holocaust. The Nazis' goal was to murder every single Jewish person in Europe, and ultimately in the world. They had a policy of systematic, mass murder of all Jews men, women and children simply because they were Jews. Based on their racial ideology, the Nazis established ghettos as part of a continuum of anti-Jewish persecution, which culminated with mass murder in death factories in the heart of Europe. The Jews were not persecuted because of anything they actually did, but because of Nazi perceptions based on an imagined and distorted reality. In contrast, the current situation in the Middle East is a classic one of adversaries. The conflict between the Palestinians and Israel is fundamentally about land and sovereignty, with tangible issues and a long, convoluted history. It is legitimate to criticize both sides in this conflict. But to employ outright lies in place of legitimate criticism undermines any possibility of building understanding. Despite assertions to the contrary, a lie, no matter how big and how often it is told, does not become truth. The Holocaust certainly may be compared and contrasted to other events in history; indeed doing so helps us understand events better. But comparing and contrasting is a very different exercise from superficially equating things. Moreover, when events share no real common denominator as anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge and intellectual honesty will attest equating, and even comparing and contrasting is iniquitous, and generally constitutes purposeful manipulation. Doing this to the Holocaust, arguably one of the most significant and horrific events of modern history, dishonors the victims, and trivializes the events themselves."
To add to the above comment, I found a very interesting article from a group of anti Israeli scholars who singled out criticism of only Israeli politicians to accuse them of inappropriately using the holocaust reference unfairly against Hamas: https://www.nybooks.com/online/2023/11/20/an-open-letter-on-the-misuse-of-holocaust-memory/ It states: "Insisting that “Hamas are the new Nazis”—while holding Palestinians collectively responsible for Hamas’s actions—attributes hardened, antisemitic motivations to those who defend Palestinian rights. It also positions the protection of Jewish people against the upholding of international human rights and laws, implying that the current assault on Gaza is a necessity. And invoking the Holocaust to dismiss demonstrators calling for a “free Palestine” fuels the repression of Palestinian human rights advocacy and the conflation of antisemitism with criticism of Israel." The above statement is quite interesting. As a Jew my perspective is when I read the Charter of Hamas and see the actions they committed against Israeli civilians, I think most certainly of hateful anti semites who engage in tactics no different than what Nazis, the SS, Gestapo, numerous European soldiers, police and citizens have done to Jews and what Muslim soldiers/warriors/civilians have done to Jews for thousands of years. To me and many Jews, its just a repeat of hatred against Jews using the creation of Israel as the latest pretense. However when I accuse Hamas and specific Palestinian terror cells of being no different than Nazis I do so because their charters specifically state as does the Charter of Hamas for example, their mission is to exterminate all Jews from the planet. This is why for me as a Jew, this is not an Israeli issue this is a JEWISH issue. When someone calls for the extermination of Jews worldwide, its not specific to Israeli Jews. This is exactly why we Jews during any conflict in the Middle East are singled out in other countries by pro Hamas or pro Palestinian protesters and/or terrorists and/or terrorist sympathizers. They attack all Jews. Right now in Canada, the language being used by protesters who openly support Hamas scream out all of Israel has to be erased-they do not say only Israeli Jews thank you. Their words are clear as are their attacks on Jews in Jewish neighbourhoods. They are not engaged in peaceful protest outside the Israeli embassy or consulate, they are going into Jewish neighbourhoods and taunting Jews with hateful words calling for our extermination. So when I read some scholars all of whom are pro Hamas claiming Israel weaponizes the holocaust memory I say this-if you act like a Nazi, walk and small like a Nazi you will be called out as one. No hiding behind what Hamas does and trying to revise it as justified freedom fighting and then in the next breath while you complain we Jews call Hamas Nazis call ALL Jews murderers for supporting a Jewish state or calling out pro Hamas-Palestinian protesters for chanting to wipe us out sea to sea yet claiming we are engaging in extermination of Palestinians, I call that bull crap out. The very same Palestinian supporters defending the Nazi autrocities of Hamas accuse Israel of genocide against innocent Gaza civilians ignoring those civilians die because they are used as shields, exactly how the Gestapo, SS, would use civilians to die. How is Israel accused of genocide because Hamas builds its launch sites, missile sites, operations, weapons storage in hospitals, underneath homes? How is it when a terrorist uses his own civilians who he refers to as expendable shields (martyrs to die for the cause) that terrorist is not morally responsible for that shield's death? If Israel is committing genocide why did it not go into Gaza and engage in it and just kill everyone? The population of the West Bank and Gaza is almost completely Muslim. The bulk of these are Sunni Muslims: 92 percent of West Bankers and 99 percent of Gazans, with the rest Christians. Do these stats sound like a genocide: WEST BANK GAZA Population (2000 estimates) 2.0 million 1.1 million Births per 1,000 population* 37 43 Deaths per 1,000 population* 4 4 Infant deaths per 1,000 live births* 22 26 Rate of natural increase* 3.2% 3.9% Total fertility rate* 5.0 6.6 Life expectancy at birth* 72 years 71 years Capital The Palestinians claim Jerusalem as their capital, although they do not exercise authority over the city. Ramallah and Gaza City serve as the de facto capitals of the West Bank and Gaza, respectively. * Palestinian population only. Source: U.S. Census Bureau. How if Israel is engaged in genocide is the population growth rate in the West Bank and Gazaamong the highest in the world: 3.4 percent in the West Bank and 4.0 percent in Gaza, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates. In fact 5 percent of the West Bank population are children under 15 years of age, compared with 50 percent in Gaza. That does not happen during genocides. Palestinian-controlled Gaza has always been one of the most densely populated places on earth with some 4,091 people per square kilometer. Israel removed all its settlers in 2005. In 2007 a violent cell of Muslim Brotherhood from Syria took control of Hamas from a non terrorist cell of Muslim Brotherhood from Egypt. Since then they have launched over 20,000 missiles into Israel not including this latest conflict and have engaged in numerous terror attacks against Israeli civilians and JEWS who are not Israeli outside Israel. Physically Israel is literally inches away from Gaza. The compacted space between Gaza and Israel is no different than two neighbourhoods in a large US city. Any rocket attack whether it kills or not forces civilians into shelters and shuts down business. No country has lived with terrorists as close to them in a constant attack on them as Israel does and then is called Nazis for trying to defend itself against cells like Hamas and Hezbollah who goose step, use the Nazi salute and openly praise Hitler and the need to rid the world of Jews by any means necessary, Calling we Jews or any one who supports Israel Nazis is why the holocaust is placed under ME politics. Now before any pro Hamas scholar tells me I am unfair calling Hamas Nazis and not differentiating Palestinian supporters from them-let me make this clear-if you want to march chanting get rid of Israel by any means necessary from sea to sea, stay silent on what Hamas did, support what Hamas is doing, you are for me either : 1-some spoiled sheltered child brought up on the internet and has never experienced hatred but thinks you are an expert on it; 2-have never read a damn book in your life let alone a history text on Europe, World War Two, Jews, Arabs, Muslims, anti-semites; 3-imbeciles who have no clue who they support in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al who are fundamentalist totalitarian fascists using a mix of Nazi, Soviet and Muslim fundamentalist anti semitic doctrine to justify killing anyone they disagree with.
