About the Holocaust

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  1. MuchAdo

    MuchAdo Well-Known Member

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    More useless links.

    • vho dot org — describe themselves as - “The World's largest website for Historical Revisionism”
    • ascertainthetruth dot com - another site dedicated to revisionist history
    • historiography-project dot com - another site dedicated to rewriting history
    So, the earth is flat because this website says so — https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php. It doesn’t matter that evidence has concluded that the earth it is round. The point is, using sources from websites trying to rewrite history is ridiculous. One can't claim they possess irrefutable facts when relying on the above sites compared to the huge amount of credible evidence that exists elsewhere — government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records, museums’ worth of artifacts, not to mention the remains of the concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria themselves
     
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    Rather than cherry picking some of the sources I use and defaming the ones you don't like why don't you use your: "government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records" etc to explain why there are no mass graves at Treblinka when your fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) claims that about 850,000 people were killed there by the carbon monoxide poisoning from an old Soviet tank engine.

    This is just another holocaustian lie that is impossible on many levels.

    You conspicuously left out the BBC source that reported the same thing as the other web sites:

    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED

    It's a typical holocaustian evasion ploy to condemn sources that report inconvenient facts rather than engage in terrifying open and honest debate so why are there no mass graves at Treblinka after 2 detailed examinations of the entire site?



    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    MuchAdo Well-Known Member

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    Refute all of this using sources from non-Revisionist sites:

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/articles/3807/Einsatzgruppen.htm

    Perhaps, especially focus on Aktion 1005 --

    Aktion 1005
    All over the Soviet-Union where the Einsatzgruppen had been active, mass graves were left behind as proof of the mass murders which had taken place. At the extermination camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka in Poland the corpses of the victims had also been buried in large pits. In the spring of 1942 Reinhard Heydrich decided that all mass graves in the East had to be cleared. This was induced by the fact that corpses in the mass graves near extermination camps generated gasses, due to decay and there was also the risk that groundwater would be polluted by the rotting corpses. Later on fear also played a role in the sense that if Germany would not be able to retain the occupied territories in the East, the Red Army would surely discover the immense numbers of buried corpses. The existence of these mass graves could then be utilized for anti-German propaganda and public opinion in neutral countries and possibly even in Germany itself might turn against the Nazi-regime. Paul Blobel, former commander of Sonderkommando 4a, was appointed leader of this Enterdungsaktion (exhuming operation) in June 1942, which became known as Aktion 1005 or Sonderaktion 1005.

    There are eyewitness accounts of the exhumations, historical proof of the orders related to this.
     
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    “Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers… or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument.”

    — ‘Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust’ at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://ia801900.us.archive.org/22/items/RPC_20200507/291a.pdf


    Although I do not deny that the holocaust happened, any thinking person must reject many of the outrageous claims used by what has been proven to be the fraudulent Holocaust Industry to defame the German people and extort over $100 Billion from innocent Germans.

    Because the popular myths about homicidal gas, steam and electrocution(1) chambers, a genocidal German agenda etc are all fraudulent, minions of the Holocaust Industry will not and can not engage in normal historical debate and rational argument.

    We have repeatedly heard about: "government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records" etc. but when we look closely, none of those documents show a genocidal German agenda, the "eyewitness testimonies" are either physically impossible or contradictory, the "admissions of guilt" are tortured confessions, the photographs are either fake or altered and the "meticulous written records" refute what holocaustians claim.

    For these reasons, I predict that not one holocaustian will or can address the fact that there are no mass graves at Treblinka where 2 teams of experts have found nothing to support the holocaust narrative.




    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
  5. Grau

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    PREDICTION COME TRUE



    In my previous Post, I predicted that not one holocaustian could or would explain why there are no mass graves at Treblinka and @MuchAdo has just confirmed my prediction.

    How were the bodies of 850,000 people "cleared"...................Nazi Aliens?

    Maybe they used their infamous "vaporizer" for which there are also "eyewitness accounts":

    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
     
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    As innocent German I lived most of my life in Germany but I never felt any burden by paying money to Holocaust victims.

    Most people in Germany are quite wealthy. :)

    The Jewish rip-off of the Germans is a myth created by foreign Holocaust deniers.
    :(
     
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    There are mass graves at Treblinka. No matter if HC deniers reject this.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363
     
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    Refute history without using misinformation produced by Anti Semites. You can’t. No reputable historian accepts the garbage posted on your revisionist links.

    Has been explained — Aktion 1005. I guess the masses of ashes and charred remains are the leftovers of a innocent Nazi BBQ then. Your revisionist arguments are absolutely and totally ridiculous. I can’t stand reading anymore of the garbage you link to from Anti Semitic websites. I shall Ignore you now. Keep posting your revisionist links, I have exposed them for what they are.
     
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    May I ask, who decides who is a revisionist and who is not? That seems to me a very important and deciding question.
    In your opinion, what qualifications must a non-revisionist have?
     
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    Don't you read articles before you post them? That's the same article that begrudgingly admits: "... they had discovered no mass graves.”


    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    It confirms what Richard Krege found or rather didn't find:

    “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED


    Sure, there are some marked Christian graves and I'm sure that there are some unmarked graves in the area but if 850,000 - 1 million people were killed there it would have been impossible to make so many people simply disappear.

    Even a thorough cremation in a crematory oven (muffle) would leave bones and teeth everywhere.

    The logistics of a pyre cremation, as was the claimed means of disposal, for so many bodies would require an impossible amount of fuel, labor and equipment that the Germans just didn't have at the time.

    Finally, I simply don't think that the German people are morally capable of such a heinous atrocity as claimed by the proven fraudulent Holocaust Industry.
     
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    They found this:
    Before the Nazis abandoned the camp, they shredded the entire site to cover up the traces of their crimes.

    -->
    http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html
     
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    Most important thing: he must not be politically motivated, like e.g. a Holocaust denier.
     
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    Many of the main perpetrators were Austrians, some of whom were personal acquaintances of Odilo Globocnik. Austrians were the better Nazis. After just one year they'd become willing servants of National Socialism, for which the Germans needed 6 years.

    Hitler's executioners actually took no pleasure in murdering people. They saw it as a necessary duty. :(

    Himmler once spoke to his SS gangsters:
    --> https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 4029.pdf
     
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    I liked your post, but when I checked this link, it didn't initially grab me as compelling enough evidence-- essentially one man's word. I admittedly did not read the whole article (which was not laid out, even, in a way to make reading it easy on the eyes). Also, you must admit, there is too much on the internet, for anyone to read it all. So, instead I found another site, that seemed pretty credible, but which cut more quickly to the chase. And which gave concise explanations of the findings.

    The book in which are all the claims that you advertise, was written by a fiction writer, and amateur historian. With the furor (pardon the expression) this book raised, a conference of over a thousand historians was called together by some Eisenhower group. While the historians confirm that the camps were crowded, and with rations from 1,000 to 1,500 calories a day, often w/ little clean drinking water, and prisoners exposed to the elements, w/out shelter, they find that this was not due to Ike's mal intentions, towards the Germans, but because the war had caused food shortages in Germany, and there were millions of Germans in the camps of the Americans, British, & French (who used them as forced labor). Many unexpected millions also flooded into Germany, ahead of the Russian army. Thousands died in the camps, they say, but not hundreds of thousands, much less millions. Read for yourself:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/was-it-a-war-crime-thousands-of-germans-died-in-american-pow-camps-in1945-m.html/amp?andro=1&chrome=1&prebid_ab=enabled

    and here is a NY Times review of Mr. Bacque's book. This apparently got quite a lot of attention, from the press, as well, including a Time Magazine article, when it came out, in 1989 (IIRC). The German translation, was a bestseller, in Germany.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyt...ials/ambrose-atrocities.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

     
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    Why do the Anti Semitic history revisionists pay attention to James Bacque? -- as a vehicle to try to accuse the Allies of committing crimes just as terrible as those of the Nazis likely with the hope that people will consider the Nazi as less murderous.

    https://www.nizkor.org/bacque-5-bacque-james/
     
  16. Grau

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    There is nothing "anti Semitic" about debunking your anti German defamation that's been fed to you by a Holocaust Industry that has been proven to be dishonest by at least 2 mainstream sources (1), (2).

    Perhaps the most damning fact against the genocide myth comes from Wikipedia:

    “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED

    How could there have been a genocidal agenda by Germany's National Socialists (Nazis) if Jewish individuals were among the party's high ranking members?

    Yes, there were many innocent Jews who were inexcusably persecuted, robbed and incarcerated but most Jews lived openly with some restrictions. Most who were incarcerated were either directly or indirectly involved in Communist and / or partisan activities.

    While the corrupt and dishonest Holocaust Industry attempts to make all of WW 2 about only the fate of Europe's Jews, far more people of other backgrounds suffered at least as much if not more during and especially after WW 2.

    For example, sadistic monsters like Saloman Morel tortured and murdered innumerable innocent German men women and children in camps far more brutal than anything operated by the Germans.

    In 1996 Salomon Morel was formally indicted of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity by the Polish public prosecutor's office but fled to Israel which harbored and protected numerous Jewish war criminals.

    So while you howl "anti Semite" at every inconvenient fact and try to make WW 2 exclusively about Jewish suffering, the fact remains that no one race, religion or ethnic group holds a monopoly on either good or evil behavior.



    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks for your refreshingly civil Post and for remaining objective enough to keep an open mind.
    Yes, there is too much information and disinformation on the internet to read everything even on something as specific as Eisenhower's death camps.

    I suppose it's because I've read enough from Bacque's eyewitness supporters such as Col. Fisher, Martin Brech (1) and numerous former German POWs who survived Eisenhower's camps to regard them as "Death Camps".
    Additionally, there are just too many unexplained questions to take Eisenhower's far removed fan club seriously. They weren't there but Col. Fisher and Martin Brech were.

    Also, unlike Eisenhower's fans, "Bacque flew to Moscow to examine the newly-opened KGB archives, where he found meticulously and exhaustively documented new proof that almost one million German POWs had indeed died in those Western camps.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-Investigation-Prisoners-Americans/dp/0889226652

    As a US Army Veteran who served in Laos during the Vietnam war, I can assure you that not every American GI wears a halo and after being exposed to the post war, staged propaganda "documentaries",(2) I imagine that many WW 2 era American GIs shared Eisenhower's intense hatred(3) for German POWs.

    Another fact that makes me inclined to believe Bacque's version of events is Eisenhower's starvation order(4) and his refusal to let the Red Cross either inspect the camps or deliver badly needed food parcels.

    If Eisenhower was simply a hapless victim of too many POWs, why did he deliberately downgrade obvious POWs to a fabricated category of DEF (Disarmed Enemy Forces)?

    Finally, there's the question of motive. Ambrose is paid to promote Eisenhower's lackluster legacy and mainstream historians who parrot the victor's narrative are a dime a dozen. After all, one of the many benefits of being among the victors is being able to write the history and Eisenhower's death camps is a history that many don't want written.
    .
    Just as many Americans are regarding WW 2 as a "good war" fought by "the Greatest Generation", along comes Bacque who exposes a popular American hero as a lowly and mean spirited mass murderer.
    Of course he's going to generate blowback from the usual corners; the Holocaust Industry hates the competition and the Eisenhower Library resents the sullying of its mascot.

    I'll try to maintain an objective eye and appreciate your thoughtful comments.

    Thanks,






    (1). "In 'Eisenhower's Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers"
    Martin Brech
    http://www.mourningtheancient.com/brech.htm

    EXCERPT "This is when I realized I was dealing with cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered the Germans subhuman and worthy of extermination; another expression of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper, Stars and Stripes, played up the German concentration camps, complete with photos of emaciated bodies. This amplified our self-righteous cruelty, and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and civilians" CONTINUED


    (2) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


    (3) “God, I hate the Germans...”
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans


    (4) "EISENHOWER’S STARVATION ORDER"
    https://ww2truth.com/2021/10/02/eisenhowers-starvation-order/


    EXCERPT "Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine … The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: “… under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot….” CONTINUED
     
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    Hello, Grau;
    Have you ever heard or read about General Patton? After some long time I remembered him and googled:

    https://saxonmessenger.christogenea.org/article/general-pattons-warning

    Excerpt:
    "Today we received orders . . . in which we were told to give the Jews special accommodations. If for Jews, why not Catholics, Mormons, etc? . . . We are also turning over to the French several hundred thousand prisoners of war to be used as slave labor in France. (my brother!)
    It is amusing to recall that we fought the Revolution in defense of the rights of man and the Civil War to abolish slavery and have now gone back on both principles."

    Excerpt:
    Various of Patton's colleagues tried to make it perfectly clear what was expected of him. One politically ambitious officer, Brig. Gen. Philip S. Gage, anxious to please the powers that be, wrote to Patton: "Of course, I know that even your extensive powers are limited, but I do hope that wherever and whenever you can you will do what you can to make the German populace suffer. For God's sake, please don't ever go soft in regard to them. Nothing could ever be too bad for them."

    Excerpt:

    But Patton continued to do what he thought was right, whenever he could. With great reluctance, and only after repeated promptings from Eisenhower, he had thrown German families out of their homes to make room for more than a million Jewish DP's -- part of the famous "six million" who had supposedly been gassed -- but he balked when ordered to begin blowing up German factories,....

    Excerpt:

    At a press conference in Regensburg, Germany, on May 8, 1945, immediately after Germany's surrender, Patton was asked whether he planned to treat captured SS troops differently from other German POW's. His answer was: "No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America -- that is not to be quoted. I mean by that that initially the SS people were special sons of bitches, but as the war progressed they ran out of sons of bitches and then they put anybody in there. Some of the top SS men will be treated as criminals, but there is no reason for trying someone who was drafted into this outfit . . ."

    Despite Patton's request that his remark not be quoted, the press eagerly seized on it, and Jews and their front men in America screamed in outrage over Patton's comparison of the SS and the Democratic Party as well as over his announced intention of treating most SS prisoners humanely.

    Excerpt:
    During a dinner with French General Alphonse Juin in August, Patton was surprised to find the Frenchman in agreement with him. His diary entry for August 18 quotes Gen. Juin: "It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country -- and I do not mean France. Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism."
    Later diary entries and letters to his wife reiterate this same conclusion. On August 31 he wrote: "Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe...

    Excerpt:
    By this time the Morgenthauists and media monopolists had decided that Patton was incorrigible and must be discredited. So they began a non-stop hounding of him in the press, a la Watergate, accusing him of being "soft on Nazis" and continually recalling an incident in which he had slapped a shirker two years previously, during the Sicily campaign. A New York newspaper printed the completely false claim that when Patton had slapped the soldier who was Jewish, he had called him a "yellow-bellied Jew."

    Then, in a press conference on September 22, reporters hatched a scheme to needle Patton into losing his temper and making statements which could be used against him. The scheme worked. The press interpreted one of Patton's answers to their insistent questions as to why he was not pressing the Nazi-hunt hard enough as: "The Nazi thing is just like a Democrat-Republican fight."

    ....on December 23, 1945, General George S. Patton was silenced forever.

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    Thanks for the information, I have read some of those quotes and observations. Patton's willingness to speak openly may be one of the reasons that the Morgenthauists were not successful in destroying Germany's ability to recover.

    He was also right about the SS member not being sadistic monsters. One of my jobs about 50 years ago when I was living, studying and working in Germany was to work with a German stone mason who was one of the youngest SS officers on the Eastern Front.

    His entire family was killed by Allied firebombing and he was captured and tortured by the Russians.
    We drank quite a bit of beer that, unknown to me, he bought. As the weeks passed, I came to know him quite well as a generous, soft spoken, good hearted man whose emotional scars were as profound as his bodily scars. Most of what I learned about his troubled past was told to me by people who had known him all his life.

    When our project was finished, I went to pick up my pay. He wasn't there but he had dropped off a sack of cherries for me from a cherry tree that was all that remained of his former home.
    While I only worked with him a few months, I can't imagine him participating in any of the cruelties so often attributed to either branch of the SS.

    It is clear to anyone who knows anything about Patton that he had both a fondness and a definite respect for the German people that was inconsistent with Germany's greedy and hate filled tormentors.

    Thanks again for the link.
     
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    You, an American, had more contact and conversations with German soldiers than I ever did! You were able to talk man-to-man with them, while I was still a kid when my brothers came back.
    All I know is that the SS was not allowed to loot or rape... they would get shot! The SS was Hitler's elite army. They had to be tough and were often thrown into positions where the Wehrmacht couldn't hold the front anymore.
    Thank you, Grau, for your personal story.

    Here is a very good account of the SS by Leon Degrelle, the Belgian volunteer ...

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p441_Degrelle.html

    This year my oldest brother would have turned 100!!!
     
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    The founder of Ziopedia is a sleazy porn merchant named Jimbo Wales. Jimbo has deep links with powerful US militant Jewish interests. He is also a passionate Zionist. The vast majority of Wiki admins, arbitrators and top staff are also Zionists and Judeophilic. A vastly disproportionate number of them are also Jewish.

    Jimbo Wales runs this fraudulent website with an iron fist, along with his Wiki-fascist PC brigades. Go against Dear Leader Zio-Jimbo and watch yourself get slowly banned from the Ziopedia Travesty.

    ...

    Jimbo likes to say stuff like, "We want Wikipedia to be the sum total of human knowledge", and "We are creating a free encyclopedia for every poor child in Africa".

    That, along with his comments along the lines that Wikipedia is an alternate source of information to the corporatized media, is sure to warm the hearts of Leftists, liberals and progressives. Except that...Jimbo is none of the above!


    ... all decent people in general, should just avoid editing on Wikipedia at all costs. If you go there, the gangsters are likely to rake you over the coals and you are probably going to get really angry. Sooner or later, you will be banned.

    You may spend a great deal of time on excellent edits only to have them "reverted" (destroyed) instantly, with no comments at all, by one of the creepy Wikipedia Warlords. If you are already editing happily on Wikipedia, by all means keep on doing it. But I will also advocate that none of us should give one nickel to this highly ethically-challenged enterprise.

    There probably is no avoiding the revert-wars, edit-wars, flagrant power abuses and other BS if you edit a lot on Wikipedia. And no matter where you edit, sooner or later you are doubtless going to run into the Ayn Randian Objectivist Libertarian Cabal types who basically run the place.


    https://robert-lindsay.blogspot.com/2006/04/wikipedia-ziopedia-or-judeopedia.html
     
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    Thank you so much for the link and the additional information on "ZIonopedia / Wikipedia.

    Robert Lindsay pretty much confirmed everything I've both read and suspected about Wikipedia. I especially concur with with his following observation:

    "The parts of Ziopedia not dealing with Jews and Israel are often remarkably unbiased, scientific and professional and adhere to scholarly standards. This stands in naked, painful, embarrassing contrast to the Ziopedia's Alternate Universe of anything even slightly Judaic. Feel free to contribute to the non-Judaic Ziopedia Universe and feel pride in what it is and shame and what Ziopedia could have been."

    Whenever I point out the Zionist bias of Wikipedia to the holocaustians in this forum, the howls of "anti Semite" becomes deafening.
    It only further inflames Zionist holocaustians to cite Shulamit Aloni's explanation regarding the overuse of the epithet "anti Semite" and crass exploitation of the Holocaust:

    EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

    And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

    Shulamit Aloni
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm


    I was especially surprised to find that Wikipedia pointed out the following fact that pretty much destroys the standard holocaust narrative:

    “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED

    Thanks again for your excellent Post & enjoy your day.
     
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    Don't worry, I forget to post stuff before I lumber off and go to bed. However, before I actually get in the bed I have to move 2 grumpy dogs.

    Anyway, I have so far only watched 20 minutes of the video you found but even what I heard and saw in that short time was damning enough.

    The documents, eyewitness accounts (German and American) and horrific film footage is compelling enough to persuade any honest and rational human being that Eisenhower was the worst sort of cowardly and bigoted war criminal.

    Little better is Eisenhower's army of dishonest and craven apologists who care more about their job security and appeasing the holocaust Industry than exhibiting even a modicum of intellectual honesty.

    The influential and fraudulent Holocaust Industry attempts to make the entire WW 2 era exclusively about Jewish suffering when so many suffered at least as much if not more before, during and long after the war was over.
    Any mention of the suffering of others is anathema to its profitable pity mongering marketing ploys.

    Another group certain to condemn this film is the cloistered and comfortably employed gaggle of pseudo historians who have watched more ethical historians and educators lose their jobs or be denied tenure for departing from the mainstream WW 2, "evil German" narrative.

    Genuine historian, Nicholas Kollerstrom, observed:

    "The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by
    saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was
    used in World War II, with a discussion of how debusing technology
    functioned in the German World War II labour camps "


    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    Finally, those who are more likely to be more receptive and open minded regarding Allied war atrocities are honest military Veterans who have seen the beasts that human beings can become when the rigors of combat brings out the best and the worst in mankind.
    For every quiet, fair minded and ethical hero there is also a cruel, barely competent and bigoted coward. Regrettably, among the second group was the politically connected Eisenhower who murdered far more people with his pen than any German officer did by any other means.

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