The actual letter that Texas Gov. Abbott hand-delivered to Joe Biden

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  1. WhoDatPhan78

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    Living in DelRio Texas doesn't teach you anything about immigration law.

    People who get deported and sneak back in aren't always going to tell their neighbors about it.
     
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    All they need is for the Democrats to allow them in and accept them as citizens. Free votes. The Democrats are trying while the Republicans are stopping them for now.
     
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    And how, exactly, are the Democrats going to do that ?
     
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    Ask the Democrats as they are the ones fighting tooth and nail to have open borders all while having no voter ID so that anyone can walk across state and international borders to vote multiple times in our elections.
     
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    Ok, so you have no clue as to how the Democrats plan to accomplish what you claim. You're just repeating right-wing propaganda.

    Thanks for playing. :rolleyes:
     
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    I told you that the Democrats are fighting as hard as they can for Open Borders so that anyone who wants to enter the USA can do so whenever they want all while fighting as hard as they can for no Voter ID requirements to vote in American Elections. Thus, they are fighting as hard as they can to have anyone walk across the border and vote with no ID. How freaking hard is it to understand?
     
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    How freaking hard is it to understand that you are just repeating Right wing propaganda ?
    You haven't and can't show any of what you claim with actual facts or events. Your opinion doesn't equate to a fact.
     
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    They aren't the President.

    And BTW reported that Biden didn't even bother to read the letter.
     
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    It was and then the Dems started declaring they were going to open it up and allow everyone in and the was "The Surge" and Trump stopped it with his enforcement policies and it ended. YES President can do something about it as he proved. The PRESIDENT is in charge at the border not Congress. Congress is NOT law enforcement the PRESIDENT is.
     
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    None the less they do have opinions of Abbott and not favorable ones either.
    How do you know this?
     
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    Then why was the wall needed?
     
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    It's pathetic that you are trying to blame a surge in 2019, after 2 years of Trump being president on the Dems. Like people in Guatemala are checking Nancy Pelosi's twitter to decide when it's time to start their trip.

    Also, Trump didn't end the 2019 surge, covid did in the summer of 2020.
     
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    The Democrats fighting tooth and nail to eliminate Voter ID laws is not right wing propaganda being they are actually attempting to eliminate Voter ID laws!!!

    The Democrats fighting tooth and nail for open borders is not right wing propaganda being they are actually attempting to eliminate Title 42 and open borders for all!!!

    This is not Right wing propaganda, but actual Democrat agenda!
     
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    It's pathetic you don't know the facts of why there was a surge. But the fact is Trump shut it down when it started so stop with the canard about Presidents can't do anything about it. Trump's COVID policy at the border shut it down along with other enforcement measures. People in other countries get the news just like you.


    Trump’s plan to stem border crossings gets results

    President Donald Trump’s plan to force Mexico to stem the flow of migrants across the southwest border of the U.S. appears to be working.

    Border arrests, a metric for illegal crossings, plummeted to 51,000 in August, according to preliminary government figures obtained by POLITICO Wednesday, down more than 60 percent since a peak in May. And border watchers say it’s largely because of an agreement Trump struck with Mexico in June. Mexican authorities, backed by the newly formed National Guard, are now cracking down on migrants traversing Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala, monitoring river crossings and stopping buses carrying migrants from Central America through Mexico. At the same time, the U.S. is making tens of thousands of asylum seekers wait in Mexico while their applications are considered....
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/donald-trump-border-arrests-results-1712730
     
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    For even better enforcement.
     
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    And they are not the President but feel free to try and impeach them.

    Reporters asking the WH.

    And this

    Q Just very quickly, just because he hadn’t read yesterday the letter from Governor Abbott. Has he read it? Is there any response to Governor Abbott that you care to share?

    MR. SULLIVAN: I’ll leave that one to Karine because I haven’t talked to the President about the letter from Governor Abbott, so I’ve got nothing to share.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...e-by-national-security-advisor-jake-sullivan/
     
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    September of 2019 still had over twice as many crossings as September of 2017.

    Is 55,000 (Sept of 2019) crossings in a month a secure border or an open border?
     
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    Pick a voter id law(any one) being opposed by the Democrats and let's go over the whats and hows and whys.

    Elimination of Title 42 does not equal open borders, that's just another right wing talking point. You may recall that Title 42 addresses the spread of disease.
     
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    YES and Trump stopped it and REsecured the border.
     
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    @Bluesguy

    You really don't want to compare Obama's numbers to Trumps....


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    Yes I do and why I have been doing so.

    Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States border patrol from the fiscal year of 1990 to 2022
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    And it is heading to 300,000.
     

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    What do you think that chart shows? I see many spikes over 100k after and before Obama.

    Do you think the average monthly crossings were significantly lower during Trump's 4 years than the last 4 years of Obama?

    I will do the math for you if you need me to.
     
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    Here I edited to another which extends the date

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    I'll let you revise and extend your remarks
     
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    yea, so do you believe that average monthly crossings were significantly lower during Trump's 4 years than Obama's last 4 years?
     
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    A picture is worth a thousand words -- especially to those who conveniently forget or discard what ALL of us read a short time before:

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    BUT, in fairness, Trump only slowed the illegal mobs down (after years of border neglect under Obama). Trump SHOULD have declared a national security emergency and SEALED THE BORDER SHUT to ALL immigration for a cooling-off period of at least five years!
     

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