Ok. So let's address this Trump/Biden documnts nonsense

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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  3. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Because it would be harder to cover up if there were a bunch of FBI agents involved. One of them might decide to blow the whistle on the whole mess.
     
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    WRONG. FROM YOUR LINK.

    WASHINGTON—The Justice Department considered having FBI agents monitor a search by President Biden’s lawyers for classified documents at his homes but decided against it, both to avoid complicating later stages of the investigation and because Mr. Biden’s attorneys had quickly turned over a first batch and were cooperating, according to people familiar with the matter.

    After Mr. Biden’s lawyers discovered documents marked as classified dating from his term as vice president at an office he used at a Washington-based think tank on Nov. 2, the Justice Department opened an inquiry into why and how they got there. Mr. Biden’s legal team prepared to search his other properties for any similar documents, and discussed with the Justice Department the prospect of having FBI agents present while Mr. Biden’s lawyers conducted the additional searches.

    Instead, the two sides agreed that Mr. Biden’s personal attorneys would inspect the homes, notify the Justice Department as soon as they identified any other potentially classified records, and arrange for law-enforcement authorities to take them.

    Those deliberations, which haven’t previously been reported, shed new light on how the Biden team’s efforts to cooperate with investigators have thus far helped it avoid more aggressive actions by law enforcement.
     
  5. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, like I said...lol

    They're going to conduct an investigation and let the people being investigated round up the evidence?...LMAO

    That's not an investigation. That's a coverup.
     
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    By this very same standard Biden also STOLE them. They were by law required to be turned in to the national archive after leaving as VP. Same thing! He broke the law. In fact he broke the very same laws Trump did and then some. He also instructed lawyers who admitted to not having the security clearances to handle classified documents to go and handle classified documents. He also kept them for 6 years at multiple places and one he deemed private until he conveniently decided it was a work place as well after the documents were found. He STOLE them as well. He didn’t have the permission to have them either.
     
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    Biden had the documents for at least six years. They were apparently unprotected during that period and they keep finding more documents in new locations.

    To summarize. They were unprotected. There are likely more unprotected documents out there since they were apparently completely unaware of the documents which were found.

    Now. Kindly explain how this is nonsense.
     
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    That would be no. A third party would require signed documentation.
     
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    Yeah, he could have sold the info but no big deal, or he could have used the info for some financial gain but that’s no big deal either. He had them for 6 years! There is no telling what he used them for. It definitely wasn’t for a government function because by law he wasn’t supposed to have them. So he used them as a private function.
     
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    Another example of your binary thinking.
     
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    If a document is no longer classified why does it need signed documentation?
     
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    Just had to read this garbage, knowing it's sole purpose would be to find Biden's position without fault, and Trump guilty of a capital offense.
    Not disappointed; you are totally predictable in this way.
     
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    Ladies and Gents, this is what DENIAL looks like.
    OP is freaking out that his precious biden got BUSTED doing what he ripped on Trump for.
    I love it!!!!
     
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    You just said it: as soon as the President leaves office. But if that's not clear, there is one definite unavoidable moment: As soon as they are subpoenaed!

    Trump stole them. No way around that fact.
     
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    If he STOLE them then he would be in very hot water. You are also in denial and should learn how laws work before posting lies about them.
     
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    The only thing those two statements have in common is that they both include the words "has" and "documents". But having the documents is not the problem. STEALING them is the problem. One of them claims they are his. The other says the are NOT his. One of them returned them, the other refused to return them.

    I know at this point you understand this but have nothing to respond that would indicate the least bit of reasoning... so you resort to the strawman that Fox and the rest of the wingnut media created for you. But you can go around and around in circles. Fact is that judges and courts don't work with strawman arguments. They work according to the law and the facts. So none of the nonsense you're spewing is going to save Trump from prison.
     
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    I don’t think neither one, the classified documents has changed anyone’s mind on how they view or feel about Trump or Biden. Biden’s overall job approval numbers remain basically unchanged and those who view Trump favorable or unfavorable are still the same as they were a year ago within a point or two.


    I must wonder if people care. One this site, it’s all about the R and the D along with defending one’s own. The tribal mentality. With Trump, I’d say the Republicans ought to have disowned him right then and there. With Biden, I’ll wait a while longer to get a better grasp on his classified documents before I’ll say the democrats ought to disown him. It may be a matter of degree, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. One thing is for certain, I’m not going to defend either one of them. I know full well if a PFC or Sp/4 got caught with these classified documents in their homes and elsewhere, what would have happened to them. Perhaps that old adage of rank has it privileges does apply.
     
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    Which is not illegal. What Trump did was theft. Which IS illegal.
     
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    But did he return them all? Biden claims he knew nothing about them. Therefore, there could be a document cache even larger than Trump's and they would have been out there for at least six years.
     
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    "This very same standard" being, the National Archives asking for them, then subpoenaing them, and the thief admitting that he stole them by claiming they were his and refusing to return them.

    If you believe that's what Biden did, then he DEFINITELY stole them. Good luck proving that to a jury, though.
     
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    Storing documents in a manner not authorized by security regulations is illegal.
     
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    Keeping them beyond the period authorized may not technically be theft, but it is still illegal.
     
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    Makes no difference how long he had them. It's illegal to steal. If you can prove to a court that the National Archives requested them, that they had to subpoena them, and that even then he refused to return them... you got him! If not, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat what Fox tells you to say. It's inconsequential.
     
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    What better way to contaminate a crime scene than to let lawyers do it.
     
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    Courts don't usually send people to prison for what they "could have" done. Only for what they actually DID. Like Trump ACTUALLY stole the documents, for example.
     

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