Ok. So let's address this Trump/Biden documnts nonsense

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless you have some knowledge of every single document that was located at Mar-a-Lago, or every single document that was located at Biden’s office then you were only speculating that the classified documents are wholly contained within those declassification orders.

    This is why I support a full investigation into each of them, what’s strange is that many of you do not want any investigation into individual one, but want a full federal raid against Biden.

    Consistency versus cognitive dissonance.
     
  2. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    No, we knew about Biden’s because he too broke the law. If you go and steal someone’s car and take it for a joy ride it’s still theft if they bring the car back to the owner afterwards isn’t it. It’s the same crime and you are obviously picking sides based on political biases
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    SCOTUS? I don't see how theft would be a constitutional issue. I think it should be determined by criminal courts.

    It is, as you say, another matter. Irrelevant in the case of Trump. Because theft is likely a graver crime.

    No forgiveness is necessary. Here is the law

    18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

    Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
    [bold added to highlight]

    If there is no intent, there is no crime.

    Ah! Hillary... The most exonerated person in history.

    The reason Joe, unlike Hillary, wouldn't get away (if he committed a crime) is that he would be prosecuted by investigators appointed by Democrats. Hillary was exonerated by investigators appointed by Republicans. Which means that Republicans are LOUSY as hell appointing investigators.
     
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    Touché
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So then you support a full investigation into trump, correct? And you would also need to have supported the raid due to his failure to comply with a subpoena.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this........."Now... if Biden stole the documents, that is theft too. If Biden committed any crime, he should face the consequences. But it's highly unlikely that any judge in the world would convict him, given that he returned them even before anybody knew they were missing. So... no mens rea."........what making excuses looks like to you?
     
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    If either of them committed a crime, they should stand trial before a jury of their peers. If neither committed a crime, what's the palaver about?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
  8. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know whats even worse? Americans that cheered the death of Ashli Babbit. Many of the lefties in here had a circle jerk over it so spare me your hypocritical lecture. Also DO NOT put words in my mouth or your arse will be reported. I never said anything to the extent of being happy someone will get away with their "crimes". What would make me happy is the same level of fairness applied to all politicians.
     
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    See post # 59.
     
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    But legal experts, including former federal prosecutors reached by ABC News, say at least so far, that for Biden there doesn't appear to be evidence that would justify the dramatic and unprecedented step of the FBI seeking a search warrant on the current president's private residence.

    To do so, as they did for Trump, prosecutors would have to persuade a federal judge that there's probable cause that by conducting a search they would find evidence of a crime or multiple crimes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/evi...ocuments-biden-home-experts/story?id=96488911
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know of none. Clearly you don't like Americans very much, that you would make up such a false statement.

    We Americans have our faults. But the majority doesn't cheer for the death of somebody. Even if they were trying to assassinate the VP. We do cheer for the hero who saved the VP. But that's not the same as cheering for the poor idiot who fell prey to the calls to insurrection by the criminal Trump, for whom you cheer so openly.
     
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    In your own words.
    And in your title, you referred to it as "nonsense". There is nothing nonsense about it. It was a gross violation of national security.
     
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    Really? What law is that? Can you please quote it?
     
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    So now it's a violation of national security but not illegal?
     
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    If anything- More like thinking what you wrote said what you thought you were saying.

    All your coins are one-sided. when the one you don't want to see comes up, you just decide it's means the same as the other- or what ever is convenient for your purpose.
     
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    So you think it's okay that his attorneys who do not have security clearances are able to access these documents?
     
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    Got nothing better than the usual lefty talking points? An "INSURRECTION" is word spin BS by the left to try and make riots from right wingers (the one that happened in how many years) VS the MANY brutal and violent left wing riots seem worse
    True AMERICANS don't spin things.
    SHAME!
    Lets hear your snarky response now so I can shred that too!
    you make it easy
     
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    You are making stuff up. Where did I say it was not illegal?
     
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    This is what they do. They spread lies and at least 1 out of 5 times they aren't called out on it and can pass. You just proved the hypocrisy of this thread AGAIN.
    The OP sure makes it easy with all of the spin and lies.
     
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    No more so than I support random investigation Into any other American without evidence.
     
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    You wish I were the topic of this thread. I'm not. The topic is crimes committed with government documents. Which Trump most definitely committed. And Joe... well, my position on that is on the OP. You can read it there.
     
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    To Americans that's a very important word! No matter how much you cheer for the culprit to get away with it, we won't rest until he pays for his crime.
     
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