Ok. So let's address this Trump/Biden documnts nonsense

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you DIDN'T read the OP....
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It makes no difference whether he stole them or not. They were not provided adequate protection as required by law. And this went on for more than six years. There is no way to know who had access to them. This is the worse kind of security breach. If you know who might have had access, then you have a chance of mitigating the impact. Without that knowledge, you cannot mitigate the impact.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump IS in hot water.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think Democrats should disown Biden regardless of whatever we find out about these documents. He hasn't done a bad job, but we have better candidates.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure. And Hillary "could be" behind JFK's assassination. In the end, in the case of Biden, all you have is "could be". In the case of Trump there is no need for conspiracy theories because we have FACTS.
     
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    Does that mean that Biden can just take any classified document and store it or just let it lay around for as long as he wants without consequences?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you prove a crime in court, he needs to go to prison. The difference is that Trump publicly ADMITTED to committing a crime already, by claiming the documents are his when he refused to return them after a legal subpoena
     
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    I don't know. Whatever the law says.... I only know that intent did not appear to exist. And I think that's important to a judge. But I'm not sure. The only thing I'm sure about is the intent in Trump's case. Because he has expressed it publicly.
     
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    Nuance is not a feature of partisan politics. Consequently, Repubs engage in endlessly specious comparisons between Dem and Repub actions in order to falsely claim, "they both do it."
     
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    When handling classified documents, you do not have to intentionally mishandle them to break the law. If you handle classified documents, you are required to handle them properly.

    Explain how you can leave classified documents in at least six locations (and the number keeps climbing) without intending to leave them there.
     
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    If he broke the law, lock him up! I don't care who he is. What I'm saying is that Trump's and Biden's cases are completely different.

    First you explain how you are "intending to leave them there" by returning them. And doing this even before anybody asks for them... or when nobody was even aware they were missing.
     
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    Biden actually Stole the documents as well
     
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    And where was Biden’s permission slip? He stole them as well. He literally had them in a private residence that he himself described as private. He was not in legal possession of those documents. He stole them
     
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    No amount of fact, reason, logic, or common sense will dissuade members of The Following from maintaining the set of false beliefs spewed and reinforced by the numerous right wing media outlets they consume on this matter. That's just the way it is.
    That is the lesson of their continued belief in voter fraud. They don't need truth to sustain their beliefs, only a narrative.
     
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    He had them for 7 years.
     
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    You do care because you are handling both scenarios which is both illegal very different. It’s not different at all. They both had them illegally yet you are obviously downplaying one for the other
     
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    It's amazing hearing the same people that almost had an aneurysm because of what Trump did sit here and do nothing but make excuses for the idiot
     
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    I don't really give a rats a$$ whether they are the same or different.
    I can intentionally leave a book on a table with the full expectation that I will pick it up later.

    That is not the issue. He repeatedly violated security laws by leaving those documents unprotected.
     
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    So that you can prove it isn't if you are some one other than the President.
     
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    And knew he had them for 5 minutes before he called the proper authorities to return them.
     
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    I've been hearing that for years. I guess i'll keep waiting. yaaaaaawwwwwwnnnn
     
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    That doesn’t make any sense.

    If a removed president doesn’t have to prove anything he he has them why would he have to prove anything if he had them and then gave them to someone else?

    Are you arguing they become reclassified?
     
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    There is a much shorter way to say what you just did.

    CLASSIFIED DOCS FOR ME BUT NOT FOR THEE!

    see how easy that was?
     
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    Obviously I did, but identified it correctly- which means I didn't buy what you were selling.
     
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    You were told that… it would be something a FBI investigation would find out if he knew 5 minutes before…
     

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