How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

Please see #29.

 

I think it would not have been for the reasons already given.

 

Did you not know what a wild goose hunt is ? Why would push a friend down a dumb path of mindless idiocy ?

 

When the argument is lost, slander the messenger. You're doing great Durandal. You don't have a leg to stand on defending the veracity of the criminal federal government, so you slander Hersh.

I reckon you thought My Lai was a "conspiracy theory" too.

 

So similar to yours being endless Pentagon Psychobabble.

 

Yup...SH....a wingnut "conspiracy nut" with possible ties to Julian Assange(a traitor basically), pushing some BS theory about US/NATO blowing up NS pipes....as usual, no direct evidence or smoking gun.

 

Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are but 2 of the truth speakers.

Assange is still in prison and Snowden had to move to Russia.

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

 

Basically traitors.....good place for Assange in prison....he should rot there.

In Snowdens case...he's being used for whatever purposes by the Mafiosi.....once his "usefulness" is no longer needed....I suspect one may find him dead in some back alley, ....or drunk in some bar in an African $hithole.

 

The issue wasn't about Russia blaming the US, it's about why Russia would sabotage their own pipeline in the first place. I hope you are not seriously suggesting that Russia destroyed their own pipeline just so they could blame the US? That's ridiculous.

As an aside, the only nation the Russians have implicated in the pipeline bombing was the UK.

 

Because the pipeline was useless to them, a liability rather than an asset at that point. They could either let it rot there or blow it up and get some propaganda value out of it. EZ PZ.

 

First off, there is no danger that the pipeline would just "rot". Secondly, the pipeline was blown up in September, 2022; 7 months into the war with Ukraine. With all the Western intelligrnce gsthering/spy assets in the area, there is zero chance the Russians could have pulled it off without being seen. As it stands, a German investigation has found no evidence of Russian involvement in the explosion.

 

And as such....no irrefutable evidence the US blew it up.

Basically a case of .....finger pointing.

 

Its basically a case of it would be moronic to have Irrefutable evidence as a standard for discussion of this "who dunnit"

So of course we can not say for 100 % certainty .. but, Occam's razor pointed that direction prior to the Hersh revelation .. With these revelations .. pretty much a slam dunk .. Hersh has been right every time previous .. Stellar track record .. each case the Pentagon Lying face off .. but this is to be expected .. we would not expect them to come clean right off the hop .. Rule #1 in any such instances is "Deny Deny Deny" So we don't put any stock in what those folks are saying .. Who we do put stock in .. is Seymour Hersh and this is gonna be a Big Spanky Hu Hah for the whitehouse .. Terrorism .. not that we are surprised with Terrorism .. but against a small player .. not a major State Actor.

How will Russia Retaliate .. that is my question

 

1. There is no propaganda value in that.

2. It's a multi billion dollar asset. In no way was it a liability. It was actually a bargaining chip, or at least it was before it was blown up.

I'm sorry, but these rationales, and I've been hearing them since the pipelines were blown, just sound ridiculous to me. It's as if you are not even trying to come up with something even half way plausible.

 

Baloney

 

If Durandal were around back during the Vietnam war, he would have been one of the people cheering it on.

 

The US did it. It's obvious. And everyone, including you, knows it.

 

Durandal is just trying to muddy the waters. It doesn't have to make sense, as long as it sows doubt and contributes to "plausible deniability". That's just how government propagandists roll.

 

According to Durandal, the Russians blew up their own pipeline so that American journalists would write stories blaming the US government for it... lol

 

It's bizarre. When the bombing first happened and the usual suspects came on the forum to inform us that the Russians did it, I assume that at some point there might actually be a plausible reason why Russia might want to blow one of their biggest economic assets. But no; here we are months later, and they are still arguing "propaganda."

They're not even trying.

 

"conspiracy theory" is just a meaningless piece of terminology that gets used by people who don't want to have a real debate. They think by throwing out the magic words "conspiracy theory", that they've won the debate. Your post is a perfect example. You show up, you say "conspiracy theory", and then you leave, as if you've proven something. But all you've proven is your willingness to repeat government propaganda.

Regards, stay free 'n independent.

 

You'd be wrong. I have zero love for Trump. He sent lethal arms to Kiev and he withdrew from historic arms control treaties negotiated by Reagan, all so he could appear "tough" on Russia. Trump contributed to the escalation of tensions between the US and Russia, even though he campaigned on doing the exact opposite. That said, Biden is obviously way more responsible for this war than Trump is. And Biden absolutely owns the war's artificially long duration. Kiev was willing to settle with Russia within the first month, but the Biden and Johnson regimes derailed peace talks and made sure the war kept going. It doesn't get much more evil than that.

 

Public admissions aren't evidence?

lol

 

They're trying. The problem is that they're reduced to pure fiction, since the truth is not on their side. But they have to say something, anything, even if it's manifestly ridiculous, because totalitarian regimes cannot let any challenge to their power go unanswered.

 

If I went on national TV and said I was going to steal my neighbor's car, and then my neighbor's car got stolen, guys like Durandal and fmw would not consider me a suspect... lol