What specific policies of Adolf Hitler are "Right Wing" ?

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your ChatGPT is still wrong.

    The Nazis eliminated the constitutional right to private property.

    This was the carrot and stick approach to force every German business to do what they were told to do.

    When someone points a gun at your head and asks you for your TV, you're not engaging in free trade.

    Everything about Nazi Germany was centrally planned. It was socialism.
     
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    Hitler controlled businesses. He had the ability to arrest one owner and replace it with another.. there was no individual right of owned property.. your property could be confiscated at the will of the government.. He was a totaltarian entity with power over all citizens..including business owners.

    China follows the same template. They love capitalism...as long as the elite in government can control it, benefit from it and control the individuals making it happen.

    How many threads have I seen on this forum where leftists want to get rid of or change specific individual freedoms outlined in the constitution --because it is the left that can't tolerate freedom especially individual freedom. The left is drawn to the "elite" ruling over the citizenry and the left can tolerate only their point of view. The leftist ideology and intolerance of freedom is a nurturing ground for a "hitler".
     
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    The only real difference between Hitler's socialism and Marxism is that Marxism is class based socialism, while Hitler's socialism was race based socialism.
     
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    cristiansoldier Well-Known Member

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    I really do not know enough about German history to say one way or the other.

    I think if you disagree with ChatGPT you should just login and either challenge it with additional statements or simply give the answer a thumbs down and state the reason for why the answer is wrong. The creators can review that and update ChatGPT if necessary. The disclaimers say that ChatGPT can be wrong. You can help them improve.

    If you want my thought on this have you considered whether you are arguing the correct point. I think ChatGPT stated in point 4 at the onset that Nazi Germany was a authoritarian regime. Could this not explain the seizing of property and forcing business to operate under acceptable ways? I have heard countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, France, Canada etc... describe as socialist or at minimum a democratic socialist country yet none of them seize property or tell business how to run except through taxation or regulations. We even have that in the US. My thought is that you are focusing on ChatGPT's use of the world socialism more than the context it used it in. Do you disagree with the context of what it is saying?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It said that private property rights were not abolished outright, yet they were. Not all property was confiscated by the government immediately, as the Bolsheviks did though. It was "private property" only until the Nazis decided they wanted it.

    With no constitutional right or laws to protect private property, there is no private property.

    Every single facet of the Nazi economy and domestic output was centrally managed, to include price controls. You could only sell something for the approved government price, regardless of supply and demand concerns.

    Ultimately, this is why Hitler started invading countries: their socialist government was failing, as all socialist economies do.
     
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    Good god.

    Tell you what. When Trump slaughters millions of people over racial purity, come back and talk to us.

    God, you all really are mentally ill. I find it disgusting when anybody does that. And it is just as disgusting when some compare the current President to Hitler, or President Obama, or any other.

    And whenever somebody pulls that stupid game, I know they are generally complete and utter morons, and care nothing about the actual deaths that Hitler caused. To them, they are meaningless and only serve to try and give weight to their bullshit claims.

    I find such stupid bullshit and petty behavior childish and selfish. Now can you actually discuss the topic itself like an adult, or are you only able to obsess over the past President and have absolutely no rational thought in your brain for anything else?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh and the countries you mentioned aren't socialist countries.

    They're just capitalist countries with high taxes.
     
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    Good god, people are now using that as some kind of reference?

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    You are aware that even Wikipedia is an amazing reference compared to ChatGPT, right?

    Don't believe me, just ask it to tell you about President Obama being a vampire.
     
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    I never thought to compare the two. IMO wiki has been an awesome source of information. I have used it a lot over the years. I am sure when it first came out many viewed it as a bad source. I am glad that view is changing. ChatGPT is a leap forward. I am sure their are kinks to be worked out but you can either be the old guy shacking their fist at a new technology or you can see it potential and use it accordingly.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't want to be insulting to the person that was posting it, but I've said before (I think in this very thread), that people have literally stopped thinking for themselves.

    They literally want to outsource using their brain to something else that will tell them what to think.

    The road to serfdom is here.
     
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    The problem is, that is not "Socialism". That is Marxist Communism.

    The problem with most people who try to discuss this topic is that they all use "Communism" and "Socialism" entirely as Marx described them, which makes Socialist and Communist the same thing. And that is always going to be a huge fail, especially as the founder of Fascism was himself a fervent and devout Communist.

    Socialism does not mean nor does require state control over anything. That is Communism. And what exactly is the difference between a non-Communist Socialist state and Fascism?

    This is why I laugh hardest at those claims, as almost every person that brings it up can not tell the difference between Socialism and Communism. They essentially state they are the same thing, because Marx said so. And using that definition they always fail in trying to back up their claims.

    Socialism is not Communism.

    Marx did not invent either Socialism nor Communism. Not all Communists even agree with Marx, which is why many use the term "Marxism" for what he created.
     
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    It is garbage, because anybody can change it. I used to be an editor there, and finally walked away when the edit wars were out of hand, and seeing things like having references from an actual video source being rejected in favor of a written interview where the subject lied about their past.

    Now Wiki is a good place for sources, but it should never be used as a reference itself. And even the sources should be vetted to ensure they are accurate and non-biased.
     
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    ChatGPT is a mindless bot that only spits out random things, or what it was told to spit out. What, do you actually imagine it "thinks"? It does not.



    This alone should cause nobody to ever consider it as anything other than mindless entertainment.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poem/
     
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    Tell you what, when you have read half a dozen books by reputable historians on the nature of Nazism & Fascism and actually understood them get back to me. It will still be an uneven discussion, but at least you won't embarrass yourself. I won't hold my breath waiting.
     
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    I totally disagree. ChatGPT is a tool but it is going to be a tool that revolutionizes the way people do business. I have already been in a number of meeting discussing the potentials of ChatGPT for our company. Saying that AI like ChatGPT should only be used for mindless entertainment is like saying a computer is only a device to play games on.
     
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    Yeah it's great. You won't need a manager anymore.
     
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    That is a large part of this discussion. Many people want to know if this will mean the loss of jobs. My answer was most likely not. I treat ChatGPT like any new piece of technology, it should make people's work life easier and more efficient. I don't doubt that ultimately some peoples jobs may not get impacted but I think it will be in areas like self driving vehicles and the service industry first.
     
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    I know, but it's true just the same
     
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    yes, I have seen many areas discussing this, from just making foreign customer service agents sound like the customer, to the AI actually replacing the rep altogether, but it's going to change our society in many ways

    not sure how society will change without the many jobs AI will replace

    I predict a more socialist type society as if the people do not have jobs, capitalism will fail
     
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    Okay Mr internet expert... Hold your breath and I'll get back with you.

    For some self-professed scholar with such knowledge on the topic we would expect you to actually answer the question
     
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    That's easy.

    We'll have feudalism.
     
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    Bro, you're talking to a man that read 6 books. Have some respect.
     
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    people said that early on too, how wrong they were
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suspect many people we talk to on the internet will be AI bots with a propaganda mission in mind in the near future
     
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    Lol :roflol:
    The cool thing about the internet is you can be anything you want to be.
     
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