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Same issue here. The difference is that Gore fought the count. Trump fought what he viewed as fraud.

I read it. It is immaterial to what I wrote. You are hung up on the concept that Trump used a legal opinion to badger Pence to stop the process. Obviously there are differing opinions as with any legal opinion. That wasn't a crime. It was just a failure. The only thing I have said is that Trump believed there was serious fraud in the election. Perhaps there was and perhaps there wasn't. We will never know because it hasn't been investigated and never will be investigated.

 

This morning they are reporting that the grand jury isn't going well for Bragg. If he took a vote now, he would likely get a no bill. They are meeting again today.

 

There are way more differences than that. Gore wanted a recount . . . just like Trump did. Gore gave up when the courts said the recount had to stop. Trump kept going, and he went way further than just recounts.

If you had read it (and you haven't) then you know it isn't "immaterial."

He went beyond what Pence was legally allowed to do. Please read. Gore stopped with the law. Trump didn't.

Trump being an idiot doesn't change the fact that he was pressuring Pence to break the law.

 

What is illegal about finding votes? It happens in every recount.

 

There is no error in an opinion. It is just an opinion. Only facts are right or wrong. Never opinions.

 

He went on to try to have Pence remove the EC votes of Georgia and other states from the election entirely. That's not a recount. That's fascism. Plus, even before that, it looks like he was involved in the plot to send fake EC votes.

 

Gore stopped because the supreme court found against him. He didn't stop on his own.

[/quote]Trump being an idiot doesn't change the fact that he was pressuring Pence to break the law.[/QUOTE]

He was using a legal opinion to do it. It didn't work.

 

In a recount yes. But recounts happen BEFORE the vote count is certified. This vote count had been certified, changing the totals at this point would have been, by definition, election fraud.

 

Trump didn't stop even after the courts found against him . . . repeatedly. Gore gave up after losing his court cases. Trump didn't. This ain't rocket surgery.

He was encouraging his VP to break the law and he was encouraging state officials to break state laws.

 

I didn't say it was a recount. I said that finding votes is the purpose of every recount. Please think before you respond.

 

Please read before you respond. My post wasn't about recounts. It was about what Trump did when his recounts failed. Let me know if I need to make the sentences any simpler.

 

It isn't accurate either. There was no court that found against Trump concerning voter fraud.

Covered in other posts of mine. No need to repeat.

 

No I understand your position clearly.

 

There were none that found against Gore. They just ruled that the time was up. Also, the burden of proof was on Trump to actually provide evidence of HIS claims. He failed. A few dozen times.

White flag accepted.

 

Evidence says otherwise.

 

Valid point. My point is that Trump viewed the elections as fraudulent and there wasn't time or will to investigate it. He viewed that before certification as well. The certification went on regardless of his view. I don't argue that it shouldn't have happened that way. I just argue that what he did wasn't illegal. It's an opinion on my part.

 

No white flag. Just an invitation to read more of my posts.

 

Feel free to link to one if you think you have a point or to bring up said argument here. Otherwise, yeah, it's a white flag.

 

I agree to a point. If my opinion is that I like cheeseburgers with pickles on it, there is no "right and wrong".
But, I can't say that it's my opinion that the sun didn't rise this morning, there is an issue. The sun came up, regardless on my opinion.
Don't worry, I understand what you are saying. I was just saying that your statement was not completely accurate. You could say that it is my opinion, but I can point to actual real facts to support it if desired.

 

As Raffensperger said REPEATEDLY on the phone call they HAD investigated the claims. They had had a recount and an audit. None of what Trump was claiming on that call had any evidence to back it up.
Yet Trump told Raffensperger that there "wasn't anything wrong in saying they had recalculated" the totals. WRONG. There WAS something wrong with that. The vote had been certified. Asking him to "recalculate" was asking him to commit election fraud.
Trump threatened Raffensperger with legal action if he didn't change the vote totals. "And you [GA SOS Brad Raffensperger] are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk."

 

iirc: Roger Stone got a gag order for posting an image of a female judge with a bullseye, something like that.
I think it was the judge in his trial.
Just put a gag order on Trump, no internet and it will push him over the edge,
I'm sure Bragg's security has to be upped due to this dangerous ****ing coward.

George Conway
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Interestingly, this is exactly the kind of post I would put on social media were I a target in a criminal investigation and I wanted to be denied bail.




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There you go. Perpetuating the lie. You speak of MAGA Trump supporters. I spoke of a broad group of people, conservatives. MAGA does not represent conservatives. They are a fringe fraction of extreme right leaning people.

The sooner liberals comprehend the difference, the better off we will all be. If they choose to speak the lie, then they perpetuate the division of the American people.

 

They are the fringe?
Marjorie Taylor Green? Lauren Boebert? Jim Jordan? Matt Gaetz?
Kevin McCarthy sold his soul to that "fringe" to be elected Speaker of the House.
Until the last vestiges of Trump and Trumpism are purged from the GOP these people (and their supporters) are going to more than "fringe"

 

Is that really a post entered by Trump?

 

"No, Mr. Stone, I’m not giving you another chance. I have serious doubts about whether you’ve learned any lesson at all,” U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said near the end of a surreal 90-minute hearing, which was called in the wake of Stone’s Instagram post on Monday that featured an image of the judge with what looked like gunsight crosshairs in the corner.

Under Jackson’s new order, Stone can’t make any public comments of any kind about the charges he’s facing from the special counsel, which include lying to Congress and witness tampering. He’s also banned from social media posts or speaking through surrogates about his case".

Indeed it is, straight from his Truth Social account.
I can post the link to his Truth Social if it's permitted here?