The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Folks, please do me the favor of taking discussions of anything other than revelations of Trump's failed presidency and the legal ramifications he faces for his actions.........elsewhere. Thx.
     
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    Not all of Assad's opponents were al Qaeda.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/15/al-qaeda-is-swallowing-the-syrian-opposition/
    Yeah, sure--and your pal, Trump, figured it all out.
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Do you disagree with my comment about Hillary...?

    "Hillary is useless, but there's no reason to believe she was funneling weapons to al Qaeda any more than she was involved in child molesting from a DC pizza restaurant."​

    The attacks on Hillary are a smokescreen to deflect attention from Trump's incompetence.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    DOJ Presses To Immediately Get Its Hands On Peter Navarro’s Encrypted Emails

    Peter Navarro, Trump’s former trade adviser and a key Big Lie booster, has been harboring hundreds of government records that he’s appealing in federal court to keep. The Justice Department sued him over the records last August. Earlier this month, U.S. District Court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly ruled against Navarro. But Navarro isn’t giving up.

    Last week, Navarro said he intended to appeal the case to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, and asked District Judge Kollar-Kotelly to stay her ruling while he appealed. On Saturday, DOJ lawyers filed a motion pushing back on his efforts to hold onto the documents after months of courtroom bickering.

    “Dr. Navarro, as this Court found, has no possessory right to the records; he does not own the records; and he was statutorily obligated to have incorporated them into the White House records system within twenty days of creation, which he concededly did not do,” the DOJ wrote. “Defendant cannot be irreparably harmed by producing documents he has no right to possess in the first place.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-its-hands-on-peter-navarros-encrypted-emails

    The track record of former Trump admin members in terms of cooperating with investigations is horrible. No doubt one reason they were hied to work for the former Obstructionist-in-Chief.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't read .. didn't need to .. is a big Lie .. .. what part of "Moderate Rebel Lie" was lost on you ? I can give you 100 propaganda media outlets parroting the State Department Narrative over the 7 years of war starting Late 2011.

    And what is with the moronic "your pal Trump" ad Hom Fallacy .. my arguments against Trump are way better than yours .. and your a hardcore LINO .. so .. who is the one has it all figured out here .. a know it all who don't know it.

    No one said all of Assads Opponents were Al Qaeda .. nor does that change the fact that the Support Hillary was giving was for the portion of the Anti Assad Rebels that were Al Qaeda.. and spawn.

    The fact of the matter is that you have little knowledge of the war in Syria . nor the dynamics .. the character if the Rebels. The fact that you give an article from 2017 is kind of laughable as the war was over for the most part .. ISIS had been defeated everywhere but the US protected Area .. defeated by Russia/Syria/Iraq .. in all of the towns..

    We are talking the composition of the anti Assad forces in the beginning .. through the rise of a New Islamic State Obama's JV team leading a coalition of 40 nations to arm .. support .. supply this team .. that was very successfull .. by 2013 had taken over near every major city in Syria .. and declared a new Islamic State .. which lasted 3 years.

    Those folks .. who controlled near all of Syria Sans Demascus - are the ones Hillary armed .. supported .. supplied .. although this was prior to all the various Islamist rebels coalesced under the New Islamic State .. the two main factions being Al Qaeda and ISIS ..

    Is your brain having trouble assimilating the fact that ISIS was our Proxy army in Syria ? maybe that is the necessary illusion bubble popping . ohh .. sorry .. my bad .. so sad for the LINO ..know it all.

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  6. LangleyMan

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    So, you have your opinion. Why should we care? What do you know?
    Okay. You don't like Trump. As for your arguments against Trump being better--what are they? I haven't seen them.
    Where's the evidence Hillary was trying to help al Qaeda?
    :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: Spare me the woofing insults and present some EVIDENCE.
    Still at it?
    How about some EVIDENCE?
    Still nothing from you.
     
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    We are discussing the Syrian Rebels. why are you so desperate to deflect to Trump . .. one thing at a time.

    "Evidence - Evidence" -- you were already told the Arms being Shiped from Benghazi were going to the Syrian Rebels .. that these Rebels were Al Qaeda and Spawn. You desperately cried out "Not all of them" posting some irrelevant article from 2017 .. showing that you have no understanding of the war during the time in question.

    Did you seriously need evidence for the existence of the Islamic State in Syria - that pretty much all of the anti Assad forces throughout most of the war were Al Qaeda and Spawn ? and that Obama's Moderate Rebel Lie .. was a lie..

    What is it you wish evidence of .. Do you still not believe that Obama's JV team in Syria was Al Qaeda and Spawn ?
     
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    Folks, please do me the favor of taking discussions of anything other than revelations of Trump's failed presidency and the legal ramifications he faces for his actions.........elsewhere. Thx.
     
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    Kemp could sign measure to give state new power over DAs

    Gov. Brian Kemp could soon sign a measure to create a state board with powers to investigate, punish or even oust local district attorneys as Republicans seek sweeping oversight over prosecutors they accuse of skirting their duties.
    https://www.ajc.com/politics/kemp-c...ew-power-over-das/XVHOYWHCZBCMBFPSDZIZOSYTDM/

    So if the GA legislature, controlled by Repubs, doesn't like the idea she could indict Trump they can remove her.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She meaning Fani Willis.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Elections have consequences.
     
  12. LangleyMan

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    You said Trump was better. Where's the evidence?
    You don't have evidence, do you? Just claims.
    How about some evidence to support your claim Hillary was funneling arms to al Qaeda?
    I believe you really don't understand what's going on in Syria--or in the Middle East generally.
     
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    They certainly do--in this case, the use of political power by Republicans to hold on to power in Georgia.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Better luck next election cycle. For now I can only suggest a nice cheese.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    What makes you think I care? I don't live there.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Idk, the fact that you brought it up?
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    It's politics and as a political operative I'm interested in how these things play out.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    I didn't say Trump was better .. better at what ? Why are you making up nonsense.

    The Obama Hillary Biden - clown show armed, supported, supplied the Rebels in Syria .. If you don't know this .. then it is you who does not know what went down in Syria .. and the ME..

    How America Armed Terrorists in Syria
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

    Did you get sucked into the "Moderate Rebel Lie" mate ?
     
  20. Lee Atwater

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    Pence Must Testify to Jan. 6 Grand Jury, Judge Rules

    A federal judge has ordered former Vice President Mike Pence to appear in front of a grand jury investigating former President Donald J. Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election, largely sweeping aside two separate legal efforts by Mr. Pence and Mr. Trump to limit his testimony, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    The twin rulings on Monday, by Judge James E. Boasberg in Federal District Court in Washington, were the latest setbacks to bids by Mr. Trump’s legal team to limit the scope of questions that prosecutors can ask witnesses close to him in separate investigations into his efforts to maintain his grip on power after his election defeat and into his handling of classified documents after he left office.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/us/politics/pence-testify-jan-6-grand-jury.html

    These former Trump admin witnesses are having no luck stonewalling the investigation like Dear Leader has.
     
  21. Lee Atwater

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    Folks, please do me the favor of taking discussions of anything other than revelations of Trump's failed presidency and the legal ramifications he faces for his actions.........elsewhere. Thx.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    So, you don't think Trump was better than

    So, Trump isn't better than the "Obama Hillary Biden .. clown show?" Is that your position?
    What in the article do you think is relevant? Are we supposed to guess? Is it beyond you to quote something from the article you're citing?

    Your article only touches on some of the underlying issues. There's no point of departure for a discussion because I have no idea what you understand.
    Whose lie? The Saudis and Türkiye are Sunnis and so is al Qaeda. We funneled money to the Kurds, most of whom are also Sunnis, but a pain in the rear to both Türkiye and Iraq. On and on. Do you know why the Kurds don't get along with the Turks? I wonder.
     
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    Dude .. this is not about Trump .. Trump being a moron does not absolve the Obama- Hillary Clownshow from arming Al Qaeda.

    I posted what from the article was relevant - that arms were provided to the Anti Assad Syrian Rebels .. who have nothing to do with the Kurds .. and were not being supported until way later in the war in any case.

    You trying to muddle the issue with the Kurds shows your lack of understanding of the War in Syria .. so no wonder you are so wrong.

    What part of the anti Assad Rebels being armed were Al Qaeda and Spawn .. are you having trouble understanding .. all Islamist extremist wanting Syria to be a Strict Sharia Wonderland .. and any moderates that were in the mix .. were fighting under the banners of Al Qaeda - ISIS .. or some other affiliate ..

    There is a reason it is called "The Moderate Rebel Lie" .. that is because it is a Lie mate ... propaganda fed to you by the likes of CNN and MSNBC .. your beloved Rachel Maddow

    Here is some more from the article you didn't read
    Obama led a coalition of 40 Nations to arm the Anti Assad Rebels .. The rebels who later coalesced into a new Islamic State .. All of whome were Al Qaeda or spawn of Al Qaeda .. at least according to Biden.

    Having trouble dealing with the fact that the Islamic State was our Proxy army in Syria mate ?
     
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    Sooooo.... does this mean you think Trump's approach was better?
    We also armed the Kurds. We'd been dealing with them since we ousted Saddam.
    I simply pointed out the Kurds to make the point it wasn't the binary decision of supporting either al Qaeda or Assad.
    When you indicate what in the article you find persuasive by citing it, then I'll consider your cliams.
    I don't like Maddow, don't think she's competent, and don't like her politics.

    As for the rest--it's just words.
    I read the article and I'm still waiting for exactly what in it you find persuasive.
    I'm still waiting for what you find important--and why.

    If you can't bother...
     
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    Putin rolled Trump on Syria. @Giftedone doesn't see it.
     

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