The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Holy Hork your response is nonsense .. This is not about Trump .. nor is it about the Kurds .. not about Saddam Hussain. This is about the Proxy War in Syria .. where Obama and Team lead a coalition of 40 nations .. to arm .. support .. supply our proxy army in Syria.

    That Proxy army was comprised of many groups .. the vast majority radical Islamists (aka - Al Qeada - ISIS - AL Nursra - Martyrs for God) who coalesced into a new Islamic State in 2013 .... after which we continued to support them for years.

    I gave you an article "How we armed Terrorists" .but you say you don't find anything persuasive .. about tons of arms shipments detailed .. going to these terrorists ..

    Which part are you having trouble Understanding A) We sent/facilitated huge amounts of arms and support to proxy army or B) the Proxy Army was the Islamic State = Al Qaeda-ISIS running the show -- along with a couple other notable groups .. one of those groups NOT being the Kurds ..which was a completely different issue .. NOT part of our Anti Assad Proxy Army.



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  2. LangleyMan

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    It's about one hell of a lot more than that.

    We're playing in a rough neighborhood with various players trying to pick off a centrally located ME country, or perhaps create or retain influence there. Do you need a list of the players and their perceived interest in Syria?
    Please, for your your own sake, stop. This is a small part of the action. Trashing Obama, Hillary, Trump, Pompeo, Bolton, Dubya, Dick Cheney--is beside the point.

    I invite you--or anyone else reading this--to look at the number of players involved in just our country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    Not that I agree or disagree with the article. Just note the complexity. In addition to ME countries, European countries have interests there and are now influenced by human migration out of the Middle East, and nearby Muslim powers like Türkiye and Iran--and don't forget Israel and Russia. America, too, of course.
    It's not the big deal you appear making it out to be. Anyway, you haven't even come close to establishing the thesis that Hillary and Obama were trying to arm al Qaeda, presumably to work against American interests. Your article is a sensational account targeting an anti-neocon conservative audience.
    Would you care to explain how this works into the bigger picture?
     
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    What a ridiculous non response of deflection and denial. What part of ISIS was our proxy army against Assad - are you having trouble dealing with so you demonize the source ...crying "sensational account" - completely ignoring the content.

    It is not a secret that Obama created, armed and supported the radical Islamic Jihadists- 14 bipartisan members of congress tabled a bill to "Stop Arming Terrorists" in Syria .. named "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"

    Lets see what Tulsi Gabbard had to say on the floor
    https://pdamerica.org/rep-tulsi-gabbard-introduces-legislation-to-stop-arming-terrorists/
     
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  4. LangleyMan

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    Have a nice day.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

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    Reports: Grand Jury For Hush Money Probe Set To Break For A Month

    The Manhattan grand jury investigating former President Donald Trump’s role in the $130,000 hush money payment made to Stormy Daniels during his 2016 presidential campaign is scheduled to take a break in April, according to reports.

    During the break — which reportedly is a previously scheduled hiatus — the grand jury will not hear evidence in the case, according to a Politico source, putting a pause on the wave of anticipation in recent days about a possible Trump indictment.

    It is possible the grand jury’s schedule might change but if the hiatus goes as planned, any potential vote to indict the former president would not come until late April.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/reports-grand-jury-for-hush-money-probe-set-to-break-for-a-month

    The saying "the wheels of justice grind slowly" was never more appropriate.
     
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    I have no idea what is going on with the GJ in Manhattan. I have no idea what crimes they are looking at charging Trump with.
    I listen to multiple podcasts with actual lawyers discussing this stuff and they all seem to agree that whatever Bragg is doing is going to be weak.
    This is apparently over stuff that might be a misdemeanor at most that happened over a decade ago.
    I wish that they had not gone after Trump on this stuff. It just further feeds into his delusions about this being a "witch hunt"
     
  7. Lee Atwater

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    I think the two things that weigh in favor of indictment are that Cohen was prosecuted for the crime he committed at Trump's direction. And that not prosecuting puts Trump above the law because of an inexplicable (IMO) deference to someone who is the former prez.
    But I do think the ball was dropped at the federal level. Most likely because Garland is going out of his way, too far out of his way, to avoid the appearance of being political to restore the DoJ's image after Billy the Bagman.
     
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    I was having a nice day ... until someone went running to the mods because found out the Obama Hillary clown car was guilty of war crimes .. arming - supporting - supplying Al Qaeda and spawn ..
     
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    Huh?
     
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    so it was a butt-hurd someone else ? Har Har Har ... that is funny. Now back to business .. now that we are clear about the well known ..now historical fact that Obama led a group of 40 nations to arm, support, supply the anti Assad forces in Syria. Obama himself bragged about it -as the initially covert support turned into Overt Support around 2014.

    Prior to 2014 there were no "Moderate" anti Assad forces .. all the news outlets regardless of side of the war .. including the NY-Times and so on ... reporting that there was no significant moderate presence in the Anti Assad Army .. that they all wantet a Strict Sharia Islamic State.

    So who then were we arming ? Was early in 2014 that our proxy dog - now the Islamic State (IS) went off leash and went into Iraq.. and this may be where much of the confustion comes from .. because it is confusing . as now we are Allied with ISIS in Syria .. but fighting with them in Iraq .. and it was shortly after this that the "Moderate Rebel Lie" came about.

    but don't take my word for it .. Take the 14 bipartisan co-signers of the "Stop arming Terrorist Act" .. or all our media at the time .. prior to 2014 .. or here is Rand Paul .. who introduced the act into the senate . with "ZERO" co-signers (guess everyone in the Senate wants to continue to arm Terrorists)

    First here is Biden describing the "Moderate Rebel" situation in 2014 ..
    https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

    Right .. so this fantasy about "Moderate Rebels" fighting Assad .. put it from your head .. what ever smatering of moderate may have existed in the very beginning (a smattering no one has yet to find but let us assume their existence) was long gone by the end of the first year of the war .. as per Smokin Joe .. and everyone else covering the issue .. including info from the DIA - now declassified- being submitted up the chain.

    So .. Got it ? OK .. No Moderate Rebels fighting Assad .. its 2014 .. and Obama has big conundrum as he is supporting ISIS in Syria but fighting them in Iraq.

    Here is Rand Paul on "CNN" being interviewed by Candy Crowley .. who is desperately wanting him to stop talking..

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

    Is the picture starting to unfold ? We were allied with the Islamic State in a proxy war against Assad .. and they are the only Anti Assad Proxy Army .. there is not some fantasy moderate group .. until Obama tries to make one up in 2014 .. then goes hunting for Moderates to arm and train.. a mind blowingly stupid propaganda stunt which fell flat on its face .. this easy to find if your interested.

    "Lock Her Up" .. and Biden too .. with Obama in the Middle .. Bush from behind .. and we can sprinkle the ashes of Daddy Bush and Reagan over top.

    10 years after 911 -- still supposedly fighting "The War on Terror" .. and Obama is allied with Al Qaeda in 2 wars through much of the decade .. hand in hand with Brother El Saud .. the nationality of the Architects and Mother of the Salafi - hard core extremist - militant Islamist Ideology .. shared by all our favorite terrorists -- Taliban - Al Qaeda - ISIS - Al Shabaab and various others in Africa - the nutjobs in Pakistan who bleed into India .. doing the mumbai bombings and what not .. extending into the Ex Soviet Stans .. an ideology that Brother El SAud had been unabashedly spreading around the world .. something the US was Critical of in previous days.

    But now --- Brothers in Arms .. trying to turn every nation in the ME and beyond into Saudi Style- Strict Sharia Vunderland - a nation far worse than China in terms of Orwellian Human rights abuse.

    Secular Iraq .. Secular Syria - turned into Strict Sharia vunderbar . Yemen - Libya -- humanitarian disaster on a massive Scale .. Obama actually indighted for complicity in war crimes in Yemen by the ICC .. both by the same El Saud inspired ideology .. but Obama's guilt and culpability in these crimes is far greater in Syria and Libya .. far more direct involvement .. full on Guilty - as opposed to "complicity" ICC has not even gotten to Syria yet .. and on this basis a joke of an institution. ... now more of a partisan kangaroo show .. cherry picking issues .. a body who should not being considering Ukraine .. prior to handing the backlog .. largest on the list being the 400 thousand civilians dead from Obama's JV team in Syria.
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

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    NY grand jury indicts Trump in hush money payment case

    A New York grand jury voted Thursday to indict former President Donald Trump in connection with a $130,000 hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election, his lawyer told CNBC.

    Trump is the first former president to be charged with a crime.

    The historic indictment stems from the Manhattan District Attorney’s investigation into how the Trump Organization recorded a reimbursement to Trump’s then-lawyer Michael Cohen after Cohen paid Daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter she says she had with Trump in 2006.

    Trump was filming his TV show, “Celebrity Apprentice,” at the time of that purported tryst, and was married to his current wife, Melania Trump, who had given birth to their son, Barron, a few months earlier.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/30/donald-trump-indicted-in-hush-money-payment-case.html

    Let the games begin. Howls about witch hunts, etc. We all know the drill.

    As it turns out, Don really is exceptional. But not in a good way.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

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    Trump appeals order allowing grand jury testimony from Meadows and other former aides

    Former President Donald Trump is appealing a judge's order that one of his former chiefs of staff and other top aides must testify before the federal grand jury investigating the Jan. 6 riot, a source familiar with the matter confirmed Wednesday.

    U.S. Court Judge Beryl Howell's ruled this month that Mark former chief of staff Meadows and other aides, including Dan Scavino and Stephen Miller, must testify despite Trump's invocation of executive privilege.

    The decision and Trump's appeal were filed under seal because of the active grand jury investigation. The court docket shows the appeal was filed Wednesday, and the source confirmed that the appeal concerns Howell’s earlier ruling.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...er-allowing-testimony-meadows-aides-rcna77324

    When you're the former Obstructionist-in-Chief this is what you do......obstruct.
     
  13. Lee Atwater

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    The former Grifter-in-Chief sees indictment as an opportunity to fleece the minions.

    Trump campaign uses newly restored Facebook page to fundraise off indictment

    Former President Donald Trump’s campaign is running Facebook ads to raise money off his indictment by a New York grand jury, leveraging the platform it only regained access to in February after a two-year ban sparked by the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

    Trump’s campaign for president on Friday started running Facebook ads that criticize the indictment and urge his supporters to help him by donating, according to the social media giant’s ad archive. The archive shows at least three different Trump campaign fundraising ads that leverage the indictment.

    “The Radical Left – the enemy of the hard-working men and women of this country – have INDICTED me in a disgusting witch hunt,” one Facebook ad run Friday says. “Please make a contribution of $47 or more by 11:59 P.M. to help DEFEND our movement from the never-ending witch hunts during these dark times – and we’ll send you your very own ‘I Stand with President Trump’ T-shirt for FREE.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/31/trump-indictment-campaign-uses-facebook-to-fundraise.html
     
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    So sad to see America prepared to usurp its justice system like this. We used to look up to you guys, I think you've lost that for good now, you're no better than China.
     
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    I'm not sure I'd call this usurping the justice system. More like a corruption of Congress by Repubs.
     
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    To have a political system that can be misused to prevent justice functioning is a very fragile system.
    To have congressmen willing to do so without fear of losing votes speaks badly about the whole country.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have capsulized the most profound ill we face as a country.
     
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    Justice Dept. said to have more evidence of possible Trump obstruction at Mar-a-Lago

    Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed fresh evidence pointing to possible obstruction by former president Donald Trump in the investigation into top-secret documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The additional evidence comes as investigators have used emails and text messages from a former Trump aide to help understand key moments last year, said the people, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation.

    The new details highlight the degree to which special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the potential mishandling of hundreds of classified national security papers at Trump’s Florida home and private club has come to focus on the obstruction elements of the case — whether the former president took or directed actions to impede government efforts to collect all the sensitive records.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/

    The clock is ticking on Smith's indictment of Individual 1.
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    Exclusive: Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot

    Donald Trump will be placed under arrest on Tuesday and informed that he has been charged with 34 felony counts for falsification of business records, according to a source who has been briefed on the procedures for the arraignment of the former president.

    A New York City police arrest report summarizing the charges against Trump will then be prepared and entered into the court system before he is led into a courtroom to be formally arraigned on the charges, none of which are misdemeanors.

    But, the source said, Trump will not be put in handcuffs, placed in a jail cell or subjected to a mug shot — typical procedures even for white-collar defendants until a judge has weighed in on pretrial conditions. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office, which has been consulting with the Secret Service and New York City court officials, concluded there was no reason to subject the former president to handcuffs or a mug shot.

    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-tr...-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html

    I was really looking forward to seeing the mug shot.
     
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    The next hearing in the NY case is in Dec. You've got to be kidding. We have a dysfunctional system to the extent justice delayed is justice denied.
     
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    Donald Trump Suffers Major Setback In Jan. 6 Investigation

    With all eyes glued to the circus atmosphere outside the courthouse in Manhattan ahead of Donald Trump’s early afternoon arraignment on state charges in the Stormy Daniels hush money case, a separate midday sealed court ruling in Washington, D.C., served as reminder of the multiple layers of legal jeopardy the former president faces.

    The DC Circuit Court of Appeals declined Trump’s reported request to intervene on an emergency basis and block the imminent grand jury testimony of several former Trump administration officials in Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 investigation.

    Trump is apparently appealing a March 15 order from U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell, at the time the chief judge in DC, that rejected his executive privilege arguments to block his former aides’ testimony. Trump’s lawyers were reportedly in court Monday trying to convince U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, Howell’s successor as chief judge (who oversees grand jury proceedings like this one) to stay the order while they appealed. Apparently they lost that argument, resulting in the emergency appeal.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/donald-trump-suffers-major-setback-in-jan-6-investigation

    When does all the winning start?
     
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    Analysis: A Surprise Accusation Bolsters a Risky Case Against Trump
    The unsealed case against Donald J. Trump accuses him of falsifying records in part to lay the groundwork for planned lies to tax authorities.

    WASHINGTON — The unsealed indictment against former President Donald J. Trump on Tuesday laid out an unexpected accusation that bolstered what many legal experts have described as an otherwise risky and novel case: Prosecutors claim he falsified business records in part for a plan to deceive state tax authorities.

    For weeks, observers have wondered about the exact charges the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, would bring. Accusing Mr. Trump of bookkeeping fraud to conceal campaign finance violations, many believed, could raise significant legal challenges. That accusation turned out to be a major part of Mr. Bragg’s theory — but not all of it.

    “Pundits have been speculating that Trump would be charged with lying about the hush money payments to illegally affect an election, and that theory rests on controversial legal issues and could be hard to prove,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a New York Law School professor and former state prosecutor.

    “It turns out the indictment also includes a claim that Trump falsified records to commit a state tax crime,” she continued. “That’s a much simpler charge that avoids the potential pitfalls.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/...te=1&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

    So many crimes they're hard to keep up with.
     
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    Judge says he can compel Fox’s Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch to testify live in Dominion trial

    A Delaware judge said Wednesday that he would compel Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch, and his son, CEO Lachlan Murdoch, to appear live in court for the upcoming trial in Dominion Voting System’s $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox and its networks.

    Earlier on Wednesday Dominion in a letter filed to the court urged Judge Eric Davis, who is presiding over the case, to compel both Murdochs to appear live. It also requested in-person testimony from Paul Ryan, the Republican former speaker of the House and a Fox board member, and Viet Dinh, Fox’s chief legal and policy officer.

    “Fox and Dominion have made these four parties very relevant,” Davis said during a hearing on Wednesday. “It’s not the corporation that raises its hand on the stand, it’s their officers and directors that raise their hand on the stand.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/05/dominion-fox-murdoch-witness-list.html
     
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    Pence won’t appeal judge’s order to testify in Jan. 6 probe

    Former Vice President Pence will not appeal a ruling requiring him to testify in front of a grand jury about the events surrounding the Jan. 6, 2021, riots at the U.S. Capitol, aides said Tuesday.

    A federal judge last week ruled that Pence had to provide testimony about former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, though the judge said Pence would not be compelled to testify about his role in Congress.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ppeal-judges-order-to-testify-in-jan-6-probe/

    It's about time he stopped hiding behind fatuous claims of constitutional protections.
     
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    Probe widens into federal watchdog over missing Jan. 6 Secret Service texts

    A nearly two-year investigation into allegations of misconduct by the Department of Homeland Security’s chief watchdog expanded this week to include his role in missing Secret Service text messages from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

    On Monday, investigators demanded records related to the deleted texts from the Office of Inspector General Joseph V. Cuffari, an appointee of President Donald Trump whose office shut down an inquiry into the Secret Service messages last year amid the House’s probe of the insurrection.

    The records request, which was revealed in a federal lawsuit this week filed by Cuffari and his staff against the panel of inspectors leading the probe, suggests new urgency in a high-profile investigation that began in May 2021 and has since evolved into a wide-ranging inquiry into dozens of allegations of misconduct, including partisan decision-making, investigative failures and retaliation against whistleblowers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/06/homeland-security-watchdog-secret-service-texts/

    What makes Trump so dangerous for democracy isn't just what he does to tear it down but what those he appoints do as well.
     

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