The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump officials hindered at least nine key oversight probes, watchdogs said. Some may finally be released in coming months.

    Almost as soon as she opened a politically charged investigation in 2019 into whether the Trump White House blocked hurricane relief to a devastated Puerto Rico, the internal watchdog at the Department of Housing and Urban Development ran into obstacles.

    HUD demanded that their attorneys sit in on witness interviews, a tactic inspectors general said was unusual and could shape witness testimony. White House officials told top agency appointees to withhold their communications, documents and interviews show. Other records took months to obtain.

    It’s far from the only politically sensitive work by government watchdogs — mandated by Congress to monitor federal agencies for waste, fraud and misconduct — that faced roadblocks or otherwise were dragged out during the Trump era.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3d6d8c-828d-11eb-81db-b02f0398f49a_story.html

    From day one the chaos machine that was the Trump admin produced too many scandals to keep track of let alone investigate. Even the 24 hour news cycle mania in which we live was overwhelmed. In depth reporting on the hundreds of offenses was rare as news agencies gasped for air trying to keep up with the onslaught.

    It will be quite some time before a complete understanding of the details is sorted out.

    Two reports that have been released, one on Elaine Chao and one on WH physician Ronny Jackson, were damning. Chao's abuses lead to a criminal referral to the DoJ. It goes without saying with Crooked Donald in charge the report made its way to the circular file. Illegal actions being a badge of honor in the Trump admin. The other concluded that Jackson bullied his staff and drank on the job.

    “IGs under Trump faced an angry, account-settling president who had no compunction about removing those who threatened to reveal bad things about him,” said Gordon Heddell, a former inspector general at the Defense and Labor departments who served under Republican and Democratic presidents.

    Trump has pushed out 5 inspectors general since April. Here’s who they are
    https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/19/trump-has-pushed-out-5-inspectors-general-april-he/

    That's what authoritarian rule looks like.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yeah the usual leftist sturm und drang and much ado about nothing in particular save the iron clad leftist belief that anyone who interferes in their destruction of the country must be evil. Fifty investigations heaping numerous allegations but never able to prove anything be cause the allegations were ill founded to begin with.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How would you know since the Trump admin blocked so many investigations? Ones in to Chao, Zinke, Puerto Rico relief, the census, a border wall contract, the VA, and more.

    The result was that government hid wrongdoing from the public and important reforms to improve government efficiency were ignored.

    The Defense Department’s inspector general’s office will audit a $400 million border wall contract that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers awarded to a North Dakota construction company run by a GOP donor whom President Trump repeatedly urged military officials to hire.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...830e22-1cf9-11ea-87f7-f2e91143c60d_story.html

    I doubt the Geezer-in-Chief will enjoy your caviler "nothing to see here" attitude for the next 4 years.
     
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    what was discovered by the numerous benghazi hearings?
     
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    That Obama and company could stone wall with the best of them.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That unsubstantiated, false assertion will be added to the list of your unsubstantiated, false assertions.
     
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    Trump officials hindered at least nine key oversight probes, watchdogs said. Some may finally be released in coming months.

    Good for you. It is a good attempt to distract from the unbelievable incompetence of the new administration. Bravo. Nevertheless Trump is out of office.
     
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    Neither unsubstantiated or false. Far from being the most open and accountable administration in history, even the more reliable leftist news media were complaining about how opaque the Obama administration was.
     
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    You wouldn't know that listening to SOME people here......
     
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    The investigations are not to vilify Trump - so his being out of office means nothing. Don't you want to know that law breakers like Chao and Zinke (if found guilty) will be held responsible? Sure, I find it repugnant that the investigations were squashed by Trump, but I have no interest in him being held responsible for that. If we wanted him to be held responsible for all his misdeeds, the AG would be overwhelmed and not able to do the business of the country.
     
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    I don't care. It won't change anything. I view politics as a cesspool and expect what I see.
     
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    Without Trump what would they talk about, Biden.. Just like Washington the leftist propagandist are scared to death about having to defend that moron ;)
     
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    What he just doesn't have some one to hunt through the haystack for something illegal?
     
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    There wasn't anything to see. The only thing I've seen thus far out if Biden is blithering idiocy, and a desire to make the presidency a legislature of last resort.
     
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    Not good enough because he is also still out of jail.

    The government needs to show "we the people" that this is still a nation of laws. Because if we're not, then... anything goes.

    I still don't understand how right wingers can justify their position that crimes should not be... never mind punished.... not even investigated. Every time we learn that authorities are looking into possible criminal activity... they attack the investigators. Why?
     
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    If he committed a crime that deserves a jail sentence then ask the judicial system to prosecute him. Nobody wants politicians to escape the law. I haven't attacked an investigator. If you dislike what "they" do then discuss it with them.
     
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    Why are we still talking about Trump? We got rid of one idiot, and replaced him with another.
     
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    They really do, don't they? Take the very public investigation into Hunter Biden, for example. Not a peep out of him. Imagine if that were Trump Jr.; the relentless whining, the conspiracy theories...
     
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    Because it is important that the historical record be accurate and not swept under the rug.
     
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    Politicians seem VERY selective about what they do and do not want swept under the rug. It would be nice if they had this level of scrutiny for everything.
     
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    Did you read the post you quoted? If you did, how could you not have noticed that that was exactly what I was doing.

    Then what does your statement "Trump is out of office" (which is what I responded to) mean? So what if he's out of office? Is it that you believe that leaving office somehow "cleanses" all the crimes somebody committed before and while they were in office?
     
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    The level of scrutiny to which you refer was summarily, affirmatively blocked by Trump and his admin officials. The kind all admins are routinely submitted to by the existence of IG's. Which is why Trump, in unprecedented fashion, fired 5 in a short period of time. I invite your further comment on the matter..........but please.........no more whataboutisms.
     
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    So I get criticized for agreeing with you?

    No, it means it is time to stop whining about Trump. If you want to continue whining, that is your business. But continuing to run into rabbit holes doesn't seem like a fulfilling thing to do.
     
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    What we're doing is finding out just how bad of a President Trump was and shining a strong light on a part of the wounds he has caused to this country. Besides being therapeutic it also calls strong attention to the terrible results that happen when you put Republicans into high political office and serves as a stern warning not to ever be so unwise again. I find that very fulfilling, a large part of what politics is all about.
     
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    Whatever floats your boat.
     
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