Is California on its way to banning rodeos? Behind the growing movement to buck the event

I own a state of the art hydraulic chute. It’s for mature cows and bulls and yearlings. I also own a manual (not hydraulic) calf table. But it causes more stress on baby calves than working them on the ground. It’s seldom used. As I said earlier hydraulic calf tables have a tendency to break bones. I have never seen a calf injured by working it on the ground. I’ve seen femoral arteries accidentally cut in calf tables. I’ve seen cuts and abrasions from working calves in tables. I’ve seen broken bones in calf tables.

Newborn calves are “wrestled” to the ground here. They are born out in large fields so there is plenty of room for cows to be calm and comfortable and to prevent spread of calf diseases (social distancing). Within hours of birth each calf is put on the ground and given an eight way vaccination covering clostridial diseases and tetanus. They are also given an injectable mineral supplement as our soils (and subsequently the forage) are deficient in selenium and copper. Calves are tagged with the cow’s number (which is coded so the birth year of the cow is the first two numbers). The calf’s birth date is on the back of the tag (today’s births get 3-26-23). Both the cow age and calf birth date are critical to humane management. The cow’s age predicts the nutritional status of the cow which affects nutritional status and overall health of the calf. The calf birth date allows diagnosis of disease if it occurs. For example, enterotoxemia does not occur in calves under one month of age. E. Coli infection seldom occurs over a couple weeks of age. Both conditions share symptoms so correct diagnosis requires knowing the age of the calf quickly. Enterotoxemia can kill a calf in 30 minutes. Only primitive operations would fail to plan for this by tagging calves correctly and the only way to safely do this is on the ground.

My hydraulic chute is portable, but when you find a calf with pneumonia in a pasture it’s inhumane to haul the chute to working facilities near the pasture and drive the calf a mile to the chute. It would most likely die from exertion and respiratory failure. It’s best to put it on the ground where you find it and treat it with antibiotics and pain meds.

Chutes have a place. But in many situations they are impractical or abusive.

Please hone your reading comprehension. I never said anything about YOU being roped. I volunteered to let you rope me. Anytime you name the time and place. But you bring your own horse. I don’t let people with such little knowledge of animals as you possess touch my animals.

 

If you eat beef (or use leather or cosmetics), you are essentially paying people like me to wrestle animals to the ground. I think it’s hypocritical to pay someone to do something you claim you disapprove of. You are simply demonstrating the degree of ignorance that exists about food production. It’s amusing but sad.

If you are going to criticize rodeo you would have to give up beef and other bovine products to be intellectually consistent.

 

Have you already forgotten you claimed "Tradition" is what animal abusers bank their arguments on"? it was even in the post you responded to.

 

I posted it 3 times. Its no my fault if you can't keep up

Nobody ever asked that question. Again, either keep up or move on.

I claimed the same thing 3 times. Have no idea what post you're talking about

yup, so what.

Its more than obvious this subject is not something you know anything about. All you are doing is being argumentative. If this is all you have, just repeating yourself over and over, on something you have no clue about, you have no interest in learning anything.

 

Have you ever seen a cowboy brave enough to stick a cattle prod on a stock contractors livestock in a rodeo?
Not more than once, lol

Its amazing the hypocrisy of some. They once saw a PETA commercial now they know everything about cattle. They even have magical cattle ranches out where FoxHastings lives where no animal is ever put on the ground.

 

When neighbors help neighbors here nobody does anything with a hotshot without asking the owner of the cattle what his/her policy is on their use. And that’s just commercial beef animals.

It’s unfortunate there is so much disconnect between the consumer of animal products and the actual production of those products.

 

We only made them available during loading and unloading the pot. On our own stock. Horses were never that much of a problem but the bulls try and get side by side on the ramps when loading. Sometimes you have to back one down.

We owned the Mid Atlantic Pro Rodeo Association out of Charlotte. We became the Alltel Wireless championship rodeo and hosted the east coast world finals in Charlotte.

Its amazing how out of touch some people are on livestock and rodeo. If they knew anything at all they would fight to have every horse, bull, calf and steer in rodeo. But you can't tell these people anything. They get hung up on their petting zoo ideologies with no clue on how the real world works.

We bought and sold a lot out of Ft Worth during their annual bucking stock sale. Its amazing to walk those back pens and just take in the history of it all. We call ourselves cowboys when it suits us but compared to those guys of the late 1800's, we ain't ****. lol Those were some tough boys working those pens and moving herds in there time.

I usually take a stroll on those catwalks the day before the sale starts to pick out my hopefuls but they buck about 350 bulls and 500 horses in 4 days so theres a lot to keep up with. I don't recall just how many cattle those back pens hold but with around a thousand head, that place looks empty. I imagine they would work 10-15000 back there in there hay days. Even the old train tracks are still back there.

And just a quick thanks for keeping the tradition alive brother and stocking our shelves. I toast you guys with a swallow of JD every time I throw an inch and a quarter ribeye on the grill. We do much appreciate ya.

 

And again no answers to any of the questions

 

If it injured the animal it would be against the law. People who hold this view don't understand what they're talking about. The way you get a horse to the point where you can ride it is you have to break it by riding it. Bull riding is more about cruelty to people. As it's the people that get injured more often. The bull is just doing what it does.

 

I don't think it's that sophisticated. I think it's more along the lines of people who do rodeos are typically rural and rural people are bad because they don't cook for the same people we like. So everything they do must be wrong.

I think people are giving these idiots too much credit. They think it's cruel to the bull to ride a bull. They think it's cruel to the horse to tame it. They don't have a clue what they're talking about.

 

Heres a thought, maybe ask one. Accusations aren't questions.

 

Post 313 - "And what happens to the calves once they are no longer calves?"

And you have ran away from your claim "Calves and steers wear protective gear"

 

Were your pots set up differently than a standard pot or just standard compartment sizes/gate configuration? Your bulls must have been well behaved to load multiples in the same compartment. That’s one complaint I have with modern production genetics is the lack of selection by breeders for docility/breachyness. Over the last 20 years the propensity to tear out fence to get in the next pasture, fight on the trailer, and take people in the working corrals has increased dramatically. Too much emphasis on genetic selection from economically important EPD’s and not enough selection based on behavioral phenotype.

I suppose rodeo stock is quite intelligent with high “learning” potential though. If they are anything like production animals they learn the routine pretty well—better than the humans sometimes.

Interesting. My only experience with rodeo stock is my wife’s cousin toyed with raising bucking bulls for a while. I think he only bucked a couple once and they weren’t up to snuff. He just has a small commercial beef herd again now. He does raise some really nice quarter horses though.

Yes. The days of kids chopping the head off a chicken so they can have fried chicken for Sunday dinner are long gone. Now people have no idea where food comes from—even non meat foods.

It’s funny when you live around critters you see a lot of what animals do in rodeo is mimicked in one way or another in natural “play” behavior. If you see a calf or foal or bull or mare bucking and sunfishing in a pasture or corral it’s because they are HAPPY and full of JOY. From the minute they are born calves try to knock each other down with their heads/necks. Cows and bulls continue the behavior their whole lives—in play and in establishing dominance.

I would love to see the stockyards if there is anything left. Was through there in 1993 but didn’t get a chance to look then. Yes, ag producers in those days were tough folks.

I would love to see it.

I love the work. I love being around the animals. They have such fun personalities and are so entertaining. I just posted a couple pictures the other day on PF of calves playing head butt and bucking around.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1074110191/

 

Its amazing how well they know their jobs. We loaded singles on the left side with a half ramp. Its the only way to control rodeo bulls and have some control. Once the bulls are loaded we dropped the next ramp (gate) for the mid section, closing off the bottom, then the same for the top. Bulls on the bottom, horses in the middle, and calves and steers on top. We always ran with enough bulls were they didn't have any room to really move around much. Keeps the fighting down but we didn't stop once on the road. Even the weigh stations just flag us on by. They didn't want their scales loaded up with bull *** and piss. lol So we stopped going through the scales. Just drove by with a toot on the horn. Alls good.

This is what we ran


We eventually figure out it was cheaper just to pay stock contractors than do all this ourselves. So we carried the arena and back pens and let the pros handle the stock. We always had 4 or 5 contractors at each event. Everyone specialized in livestock. We never had a contractor who brought horses and bulls. We had separate contractors for bulls, saddle bronc, bareback, and ruff stock. And they preferred to work the chutes and derigging platform for their own livestock so we always had free hands to work the arena. Those were some fun times my friend.

I have never understood how people can't tell the difference between happy livestock and sick or injured animals. I guess its what ever you grew up with. I used to work the Partin ranch and Bass ranch in Osceola back in the day. (70s) They raised Brahman lines. Back in those days they basically free ranged on about 200,000 acres. When its time for round up, we would spend half our time in airboats getting them out of the swamps. Wouldn't dare take your horse back there. Cypress knees under the water will ruin a good cattle horse quick.

Sad thing though. The Partins, Whayles, and Bass were Florida's premier ranchers since the late 1700s. They all packed up and left for Texas no too many years ago. Osceola county (Disney World area) property taxes became so great, they couldn't afford the land their families owned for the last 200 years. So they gave the land to the Seminole Indians and moved out. I guess the capital gains and commissions would have eaten them up so they just donated it. Go figure.
What a sad sad day that was to see them leave Florida.

Oh hell yeah, its all there. I think they made it a national monument.

The large white building on the top left is the arena for the stock sale and all those brown gates behind it are the pens.
You gotta take a trip down there. Its worth it. I hope you like to drink because the streets in front of the arena are just lined with cowboy bars. Its a hoot.

This photo was taken in 1960

Yeah, You razing Angus. I have a buddy in Georgia that is cross breading Limousines with beef stock. I heard you get more meat but still with some fat. Not sure how thats working out for him. Haven't talked with him in 20 years. I think he was raising Beefalo as well.

You have a nice herd to work there brother. Thats some prime beef.

 

Most grow up to be beef stock.

I answered it several times and clarified it for you in post 318. You just don't like the answer so you thought asking it over and over might get you a different answer. It won't. sorry

 

They care nothing about consistency or the animals. They are simply using the animals as a tool to control you and me. They are more upset that we might get entertainment value from a rodeo and an area might economically benefit from it than anything else. It’s all about secular progressive urban folk wanting control over how conservative rural people live, at least here in California.

 

LOL, The old, "Hey , look over there! There are what we think are naughty people over there so what we do is really OK ! ""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ...

 

Anyone using any of these products is paying someone to “abuse” animals in the same manner you are criticizing. You are paying people to rope, drag, wrestle, throw, poke, prod, etc. animals so YOU can have these products without having to do the work required yourself.

Candles, tires, soap, glue, steak, shoes, sports equipment including baseball gloves and footballs, upholstery, wallpaper, Jello, pet food, cosmetics, ice cream, bone china, pesticides, floor wax, hamburgers, explosives, chewing gum, paint, ceramics, antifreeze, and many, many more….

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
LOL, The old, "Hey , look over there! There are what we think are naughty people over there so what we do is really OK ! ""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ...

No, animals do NOT have to be abused to use them for food or other products....

But to abuse animals for FUN, calling it AMUSEMENT, and gaining PROFIT from it is a sickness and Deplorable

 

If it’s the slaughter of the animals for a purpose you want it’s all ok, but if other acts well short of slaughter or actual intended harm is done for what we enjoy then it’s bad. Got it. The air is thick with hypocrisy here.

 

The calves tortured for fun are slaughtered as soon as they are no longer calves

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
LOL, The old, "Hey , look over there! There are what we think are naughty people over there so what we do is really OK ! ""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ...

No, animals do NOT have to be abused to use them for food or other products....

But to abuse animals for FUN, calling it AMUSEMENT, and gaining PROFIT from it is a sickness and Deplorable

WHERE TF DID I SAY IT WAS OK? NO WHERE....the sign of a losing argument= making things up

DO show where I said that....bet you won't ...

But to abuse animals for FUN, calling it AMUSEMENT, and gaining PROFIT from it is a sickness and Deplorable

only yours....

The air is thick with "if someone else abuses animals then we can, too"""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ... it's a "Mom, he did it first!"

 

As long as animals are used for human food and other products we use and are raised by humans the types of acts that take place on a farm or ranch will be illustrated by people in rodeos. You people will not control that. We will not be guilt tripped by other meat eaters and users of leather and other products as mentioned above. We don’t care what you think. We will do it whether you like it or not. You will only stop us from having them by force of arms.

 

I never said animals had to be abused. They aren’t. Abuse is YOUR exclusive term. I’m simply pointing out your makeup, food, upholstery etc. that you take pleasure in necessitate the very activities YOU refer to as abuse.

If the activities YOU refer to as abuse are in fact abuse, YOU are participating in animal abuse just the same as a rodeo participant. That’s just a fact. You don’t have to like it, but it’s a fact.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
LOL, The old, "Hey , look over there! There are what we think are naughty people over there so what we do is really OK ! ""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ...

No, animals do NOT have to be abused to use them for food or other products....

But to abuse animals for FUN, calling it AMUSEMENT, and gaining PROFIT from it is a sickness and Deplorable




WHERE TF DID I SAY IT WAS OK? NO WHERE....the sign of a losing argument= making things up

DO show where I said that....bet you won't ...



But to abuse animals for FUN, calling it AMUSEMENT, and gaining PROFIT from it is a sickness and Deplorable




The air is thick with "if someone else abuses animals then we can, too"""

A feeble justification for animal abuse ... it's a "Mom, he did it first!"

LOL, don't worry , animal abuse won't stop over night so you8'll have many more years of being entertained by animals suffering....and pass that pleasure onto your children...and I'm NOT surprised you brought threats, violence, and guns into the mix..

ANd you could NOT prove what you claimed I said
WHERE TF DID I SAY IT WAS OK? NO WHERE....the sign of a losing argument= making things up

DO show where I said that....bet you won't ...