Gun Deaths Per Capita By State

Hi again, 557.

You are right in suicide not being considered a crime in the US. Some states, though, have not removed old laws and still list attempted suicide as a crime. A person bent upon suicide and knowledgeable of the law in such states would have, I suppose, additional reason to insure his demise. And so it goes.

Regards, and thanks for the chat.

 

criminals. You know, people who prey on others by robbing them, breaking into their property, raping folks, doing drive by’s, violent felons, people dem judges are super lenient with when it comes to crimes.

 

People living in red states. I already provided the stats

 

Per capita is not BS. If you want to know your risk, as an average person, of being a homicide victim, per capita rates are your best estimate. I'll take an extreme example. If you lived in a small town on the border with a drug cartel problem, with like 1000 inhabitants and 10 murders that year, that's a very high rate and a very high risk. If you lived in a big city with 1 million people and 100 murders, that's 10 times as many murders but 100 fold lower risk of actually being murdered compared to the dangerous small town.

The point isn't whether cities or border towns are more dangerous, the point is that per capita is by far a better measurement than raw numbers for assessing risk.

Your potentially more valid complaint of using states as a measure, rather than cities, is another matter. Not that I agree with you, but it's not a clearly ridiculous argument like saying per capita isn't valid.

 

that's irrelevant, blue voters are far more likely to commit murder than GOP voters. that's why Democrats want to punish lawful gun owners rather than criminals and the GOP is far tougher on criminals

 

Ahh... so straight to crazy town. Got it.

 

when the people who push for restrictions on honest gun owners and then PRETEND their reasons are based on public safety, the arguments we get are generally moonbat barking

 

There are no "dem judges," of course.

And criminals shouldn't have the easy access to firearms that they do now, which brings us back to the real problem at hand.

 

So, risk out of context is entirely unuseful... But sure. And yes, total number of murders actually is a measure of risk too. So, when you go to places like Chicago, or S Cal, the really amazing thing here is that you simply ignore this part. The real problem I feel is the need to underestimate the actual risk that places held by democrats produces to you, being a target of their criminal behavior and tolerance.

 

There are a lot of democrat judges letting violent people back out to harm innocent people all over again. They shouldn’t be out until their time is completed. That’s how you slow down crime, not by jacking with 99.99% of the rest of us.

 

Lol, you’re blaming an entire state for what criminals do? What you provided is absurdity.

 

what is easy access-legal or illegal?

 

I love your example!! It points out why your idea is a TOTAL fail.

There are more than 9M people in greater Chicago.

There are 0.5M in Wyoming.

Comparing anything related to demographics between these two geographic areas without considering the GIGANTIC population and huge density difference would be just plain silly.

 

Depends if the question is how many people got shot in a measured time period or what the ratio to a safer State is. The number of kills is pretty static, it can be maneuvered but it stays the same.

 

Nope, but there are a lot of partisan lies about judges and law enforcement, and you are repeating them here.

 

I’m happy to be shown my source is in error, but I believe the idea states still criminalize attempted suicide is urban legend at this point.


https://mentalhealthathome.org/2020/08/25/where-is-attempting-suicide-illegal/amp/

Yes, I’m sure the incentive to succeed is why states decriminalized the attempt. It’s not logical. If you read the cite above there is information on why suicide was originally criminalized. Religious dogma. It’s probably time to cease using that excuse to justify telling people what to do with their own bodies.

I also appreciate the chat.

 

Of course! This is PF, remember! It’s always the other tribe’s fault. Always!

 

I don’t think this is a fair comparison. Why not look up violent crime rates by state then compare them to gun laws?

if you do that the numbers change dramatically.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

in fact it could be said the more guns is still a better society if you look at those numbers.

 

The point being made is worth taking up.

 

There are. For sure. It doesn't make Chicago safer in any way, does it. Thanks for playing.

 

lol, nope. Not here anyway. https://thetexan.news/bail-reform-rising-crime-shine-spotlight-on-harris-county-judicial-races/

 

Suicide does serious damage to families all across America. It absolutely is a threat to our public.

Suicide is made more easy and final by guns. That's why guns are so frequently the chosen weapon. The presence of guns raises the suicide rate.

When there is possible intervention, these people can receive counseling and other remediation and live fulfilling lives.

 

You show that crime frequency is not a good indicator of gun death.

Your site is counting stuff like larceny, when their data shows that larceny is nearly 200 times more frequent than homicide.

I do suspect a lot of people think crime rate and gun death are nearly synonymous, so its good to fix that.

 

All that happened here was that you wanted to make a bogus comparison, and I called you on it.

Wyoming is safer because very few people live there.

If someone really wanted to relax gun laws in Wyoming, I could imagine that being appropriate.

However, if someone thinks that Wyoming is proof that Chicago should make its gun laws more lax, that would just be ridiculous.

 

Wyoming is a very popular hunting destination, how much of that total firearms death is from hunting accidents? Then you discount the suicides and what's left?