Gun Deaths Per Capita By State

Failure by both the federal government and specific anti gun states that passed these laws for people like you. Those states went to all the trouble of crafting legislation they told you would solve the problem yet they aren’t enforcing those laws.

Look, I don’t like most of what the GOP does either. But perhaps you can understand why they are upset at the ATF right now.

Let’s imagine the federal government came out through the DEA and said weed was now appropriate to posses and use in any manner one wants to under federal law. For years the DEA didn’t prosecute anyone for weed and when anyone asked a DEA agent or employee for clarification the agent or employee assured the questioner weed was good to go. Grow it, smoke it, sell it. Then one day the DEA comes out and says weed is illegal to posses without it being registered with and taxed by the federal government. Violators are subject to federal prosecution for a felony and sentencing of 10 years in prison and thousands of $ of fines.

Do you think there may be some anger directed at the DEA and federal government? I’d be outraged. Wouldn’t you?

This is analogous to what the ATF just did to tens of millions of Americans.

How much more funding do you think it would take to charge someone you have paper records of violating federal law and their photo ID and address of residence?

 

fortunately the SIG 223 pistol I own, had one of the easy to remove braces and the buffer tube cannot be seen as a stock

 

check this out

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi..._for_Injunction_Pending_Appeal.pdf?1684857978

 

Interesting. We shall see…

 

"ONCE MORE, THE COMPLETE ANSWER TO 'APPLES VS ORANGES' COMPARISONS""

There are many reasons to dismiss this comparison between the US and a handful of countries that are very different from the the US in that they pay higher taxes for much more comprehensive mental health care and prohibit private gun ownership.

There are, of course, many other differences and some even question whether the US even qualifies as a "developed country:

"Millions of Americans Are Among the Poorest People in the World"
https://www.alternet.org/economy/americans-poorest-people-world

EXCERPTS "In 2015 it was reported that up to 50 million American adults had negative wealth and thus numbered among the poorest 10 percent of the world's adults.

It's difficult for many Americans to admit the truth about extreme poverty in our country. Our poorest citizens may not be living in a farming village where they eat millet soup and walk a mile for water. But they have to deal with homelessness, alcoholism, mental health disease, opioid addiction, stress-inducing indebtedness and inequality, and pollution levels that are the highest in the developed world. "CONTINUED


However, attempting to compare homicide rates in the US to homicide rates in these few very different countries is like trying to compare a fishing boat to a farm tractor.

They're both good for harvesting food but that's about where the similarity stops.

Japan is an island nation that is almost entirely the same ethnic group while the US borders on Mexico and far more ethnically diverse.

Comparing arctic Norway to America with its varied climates ignores the fact that the heat has proven to make people, in general, more violent:

"Do hot climates make people more violent?"
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/health/climate-violence/index.html

EXCERPT This isn’t the first model to attempt to explain the link between temperature and violence. The General Aggression Model (PDF) argues that warmer temperatures put people into more highly aroused states, which primes impulsive, potentially aggressive behavior. Routine Activity Theory contends that crime goes up with temperature because people are more likely to be out in public spaces, making them more exposed to potential conflict.." CONTINUED

Finally, the same people that believe stricter gun laws will reduce our homicide rate make no mention of those 60+ countries(2) that have much stricter gun control laws and much higher homicide rates.
That's because it is an irrefutable fact that criminals, by definition, do not obey laws just as a determined killer will find a way to kill a large number of people [87] with only one dollar's worth of gasoline(3).

Since we're not going to reduce our homicide rate with additional gun bans that won't work, our only other option is to upgrade our mental health care system to detect, treat and monitor violent people before they become killers.

Thanks,





(1). "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only...political thinking,with fewer guns per capita.

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so." CONTINUED


(2). "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings


(3) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

 

It’s not about punishment. They steal guns from people, often family in the case of school shooters, who bought them legally. The legal purchase of guns and their storage is still a part of that chain of events that leads to a more effective murder.

 

and?

 

Restrictions or responsibilities on legal purchasers may make a difference and could be considered to save lives. It's not out of the question that it could save lives just because the original owner had a clean record. It's part of the chain of events.

 

every scheme anti gun advocates come up with are guaranteed to harass honest people and have very little-and most likely-no chance of impeding criminals. and that of course is the real goal

 

Everything I've seen so far since researching this more suggests that gun control is a tradeoff with lower violent crime and deaths in exchange for more vulnerability to property crime. As we saw during covid, democrats tend to care about lives even at the cost of liberty, and republicans tend to be more about liberty or death, so it kind of fits that even well-researched opinions could lead to a different conclusion.

 

wrong-democrats are all about increasing governmental power over individual freedom and trying to convince stupid people it is for their own good. the research is at best mixed-and most studies cannot find that malum prohibitum actions that only restrict currently lawful behavior, makes us any safer

 

Do you really believe that? That's a conspiracy theory, basically. One promoted by conservatives to stoke other conservatives paranoia. I can imagine why you would believe it when it comes to specific politicians. But rank and file democrats? No. There's no way that's why regular people are democrats. Maybe a fairer statement would be that democrats trust the government more than other sources of power such as corporations compared to republicans, and so are willing to give them more power to solve problems.

 

I do, but I will accept that some democrats are accurately described by your claim.

 

Blacks in the US are TEN times more likely than whites to die from gun violence. Among white Americans the death rate from gun violence is on par with most other modern nations.

 

even though American whites have the highest rate of legal gun ownership in the world

 

They can add something, but the bulk of the gun legislation is still at the state level.
And it remains so that predominantly red states with weak gun laws got high homicide rates. The idea of easy gun access makes it all safe, is proven to be false.

 

Louisiana is leading the homicide rate for a couple of years straight. With a Democrat governor, how is this a Red state?

 

Hilarious . . . you just did what you denied is happening.

 

Just as many kill themselves by other means and the number of suicides would stay the same. Suicide is suicide as they will kill themselves by other means if a gun is not available. Thus, false Liberal propaganda is disinformation to fool their sheep. Sounds like it is succeeding.

 

Hi, ricmortis.

You have made an interesting claim. It stands or falls upon just how lethal the various methods of suicide actually are. If suicide by firearm is more lethal than the other possibilities, the first statement in the quoted post is not correct.

Documents which back up the statement would be appreciated.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

and most murders are caused by blue voters-not us red voters who have far higher rates of LEGAL gun ownership.

 

I have no idea what you could mean. Perhaps you misunderstood something.

 

Blaming guns for someone committing suicide is like blaming the rock for you stubbing your toe. There is no factual evidence that proves that the gun is the reason a person takes their life except in some clueless liberals mind.

 

Fix the mentally ill people and you cure gun crimes.

 

You got stats about what party a criminal voted on? lol