100k preventable deaths a year

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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    100,000 preventable deaths a year from illegal narcotics mostly coming over the border.

    This is more than double the firearms deaths annually in the country.

    The left is really excited to put more restrictions on people's rights and confiscate their property and tell them what they can and cannot own when it comes to 40,000 deaths a year.....

    But yet they don't have much to say about the 100,000 deaths. If the 40,000 deaths are that important, and it would seem like the 100,000 deaths should be at least..... Doubly as important and then some.

    But yet that is not the case.
     
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    Sorry. you guys are the ones responsible for the war on drugs.
     
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    In fairness, what has the left ever done on drugs? As an occasional drug user, not much that I can see.
     
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    And who is smuggling these drugs? From what I understand it is not illegal immigrants but there is one way to make the illegal drug trade go way. Legalise the use of the if not Fentanyl then a drug like methadone. Manage the baseline issue
     
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  5. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Absurdly false. But I see that you got a like on your post by someone who doesn't know any better.
     
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    The difference of course being that people who die from an overdose CHOSE to use illegal drugs and therefore have themselves to blame. Kids killed sitting in class didn’t CHOOSE to be put in that situation. Someone else made that choice for them. Therein lies the difference. People dying from an overdose isn’t preventable. Unless you think you have the plan to stop illegal drugs from coming into the US. Do you have such a plan? It would be amazing to hear such a plan.
     
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    Is suicide a choice? Is it preventable?
     
  8. ECA

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    Depends
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Governor Newsom Releases Master Plan for Tackling the Fentanyl and Opioid Crisis
    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/03/20/master-plan-for-tackling-the-fentanyl-and-opioid-crisis/

    FACT SHEET: Biden-⁠Harris Administration Announces Strengthened Approach to Crack Down on Illicit Fentanyl Supply Chains
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...crack-down-on-illicit-fentanyl-supply-chains/

    President Biden Calls for Historic Funding to Beat the Overdose Epidemic Being Driven by Fentanyl
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/br...e-overdose-epidemic-being-driven-by-fentanyl/

    Biden Wants to Build Global Coalition Against Fentanyl
    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-wants-to-build-global-coalition-against-fentanyl-/7046302.html

    Once in a great while it might be beneficial for you, certainly for those who read the refuse you clutter this board with, to pull your head out of......out of.....hmmmm.....out of the sand before you add another misinformed post to your list. Generally speaking, I think it is fair to criticize the Biden admin for somewhat incoherent immigration policies. But two things need to be acknowledged.

    First, threading the needle between the humane treatment of immigrants as well as asylum seekers while not encouraging illegal immigration and punishing those who try to immigrate illegally is a Herculean if not impossible task. Secondly, the lies spewed suggesting we have open borders, the "left" doesn't care about the damage done from fentanyl coming across the border, or the Dem's motivation for allowing a path to citizenship among those who qualify is to pad their voter rolls do nothing but stoke ignorance, fear, and anger. Which, unfortunately, is what Repubs do best. Because they certainly are not offering viable solutions to the problem.
     
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    Please explain..
     
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    Democrats believe addled folks under the influence of drugs are easier to manage and if some die, they don't seem to care.
     
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    Senate Republicans Have A History Of Supporting Cuts To Substance Abuse Funding

    Senate Republicans today voted down a critical amendment to put $600 million behind efforts to address the substance abuse crisis. Senate Republicans have a record of trying to cut programs that combat the drug crisis. A new analysis shows that previous Republican budgets proposed to cut important programs for addressing the crisis by more than $1.5 billion.
    https://www.dscc.org/news/senate-republicans-history-supporting-cuts-substance-abuse-funding/

    GOP health-care bill would drop addiction treatment mandate covering 1.3 million Americans
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...erage-mandate-covering-1-3-million-americans/

    The 20 House Republicans who voted against the package to address substance abuse, mental health
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...age-to-address-substance-abuse-mental-health/
     
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    People who tend to become addicted to certain drugs don't care if it's legal or not. By legalizing hard drugs, people who would not have been inclined to try/take them may well do so (the 'let's see what the noise is about' idea). The damage done by parents OD'ing in front of their kids, the crime to obtain material goods or cash to support their habit, the loss of life, peripheral damage to those around them... that doesn't stop just because of drugs being legal.

    The supposed 'war on drugs' hasn't been much of a success, but to 'legalize' hard drugs is a disaster in the making.
     
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    In 2021 48,830 people in the US died at the hands of firearms
    In 2021 67,325 people in the US died of fentanal overdoses.

    To say that one number is unacceptable and the other is acceptable is crazy.
     
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    Approximately 55% of deaths by firearms were suicides.
     
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    Could you clarify who it is you think believes the fentanyl deaths are acceptable.
     
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    Ok. So suicide maybe a choice. Drug use always a choice. What about intentional overdose?

    Suicide maybe preventable. Drug use not preventable. Interesting perspective.
     
  18. FatBack

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    So you should easily be able to produce evidence that they're cutting the drug problem drastically
     
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    If our government is to be efficient in its use of money, it would be reasonable to expect it to take those monies earmarked for death prevention and apply them in a manner that maximizes death reduction.

    That's a big 'If'. I know of no government budget which allocates money for death prevention as such. I know of no government procedure to efficiently allocate such funds were they available.

    Come to think of it, I don't even know of a government program to identify and eliminate programs and laws which have not met their expected intended goals.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    None of which addressed the point made. Did you want to try to explain the reason democrats want folks drug addled? ? ?
     
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    This country has had an equally difficult time handling the gun issues as it has the drug issues i.e. the War on Drugs, so I don't know why this'd be a shock to anyone.
     
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    Dead is dead. They mix the fentanyl with other drugs. Allowing a near open border exaberates the problem.
     
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    Wait....does someone ACTUALLY believe Dems WANT people drug addled? Must be someone trolling, right?
     
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    I said that both were unacceptable but some posters feel that gun deaths are.
    Death should be unacceptable.
     
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    Nope...a "near open" southern border has nothing to do with people CHOOSING to use illegal drugs. You know since...illegal drugs have been coming into the US for MANY decades
     

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