Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Thingamabob

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    John F. Kennedy? Quoting the man who tried to start WW III with the USSR is not the sort of person I'd boast about.
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    That's a possibility.
     
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    Insignificant? I don't know, a billion here and a billion there and sooner rather than later you are talking about real money. What are we up to? $400 billion last I heard.,
     
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    Insignificant.
    Since the war began, the Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed more than $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine, which includes humanitarian, financial, and military support, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German research institute.May 19, 2023

    How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts.


    Budget The federal government collected $5.0 trillion in revenue in fiscal year 2022 (FY 2022) — or $15,098 per person. The federal government spent $6.5 trillion in FY 2022 — or $19,434 per person — including funds distributed to states.

    State of the US Federal Budget and National Debt - USAFacts
     
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    But trumps wall to secure our border was too expensive. How can we possibly afford to protect another country's borders? Obviously we are not experts in the department of securing borders.
     
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    Well said. The west turned a blind eye to Hitler and look what it cost our world. Lines in the sand must be drawn.

    That said, I am disappointed that we have not used out influence to end this war, Putin has already been put in his place and russia has been shown not to be even a threat to a 5th rate power such as Ukraine.
     
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    How about "the" united states of america. "The" is not part of the name. Likewise "the" ussr
     
  9. Thingamabob

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    You read my post so what part of it is "nonsense"?
    1). That you quoted him?
    2). That he tried to start WW III with the USSR?
    3). That he's not the sort of person I'd boast about?

    ... or a combination of the three? Hmmm .... :bored:
     
  10. Thingamabob

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    Yes.
     
  11. Bill Carson

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    Yeah, like "The Spain", "The France", "The Germany", "The Poland". Oh yeah, you make perfect sense. :bored::laughing:
     
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    No one includes "The" when ref those countries, Just like russia. But they do when referring to "the" united states or "the" ussr. They also say "the" United Kingdom, "The" dominican republic, 'The" congo. 'The' Vatican 'The' United arab emirates, 'The' Philippines. Why certain counties seem to have that "modifier" attached I have no idea. Think about this context, The ambassador to __________

    An even better one is Greece, there is no such country by that name.
     
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    The US plan prior to the anticipated invasion by Russia was to give Zelensky a fast jet ride out of Kiev, before Russia occupied Kiev.
    No line was drawn. Now it seems the US plan is to aid Ukraine sufficiently to maintain a continuing stalemate, but not sufficient to win a decisive victory. A repeat of the Afghanistan plan in the 80s to wear down and deplete Russia.
     
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    Minimal in contrast to the cost of concierge service and aid by the federal government for millions of illegal immigrants.
     
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    "The" conveys the fact that "states" is plural as "the" conveys Sovjet Union is also plural. But it can also denote something "within" rather than standing on its own such as "White House", "South".
     
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    One more truth prophet. :D How do you know that You are the one, who knows the truth, not like hundreds of millions of Americans? I may bet, that if I will ask You to argue something from the statements, which You write here, with facts, You will not be able to stick together more words than "it's CIA disinformation".
     
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    No, The name of my country is United states of america, not the US. how about Congo, Vatican, Likewise in all those communist "the" Democratic People's republic of what ever
     
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    A repeat of the Vietnam War, I'd say. The Military-Industrial Complex prefers a perpetual income flow to its own coffers directly from the tax-payers.
     
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    Totally agree with the reason it has lasted this long, But once Ukraine showed grit it was than decided that this is when we took a stand.
     
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    @Bill Carson explained it very well in post #2089. I suggest that you read it.
     
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    How exactly you propose to use Your influence, to end this war?
     
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    Ukraine is running on empty. It would have already been put to bed by now if the United Snakes didn't continue to beef steak the place.
     
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    And copy/paste the same **** every day bot can figure out anything? :D I guess Kievan Rus(modern scientific term, not used in real Medieval times) is the same as Russian Federation now, right?
     
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    You'd lose your bet. In fact, you already have.
     
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    At first, you may try to explain, how do you know, that you are the one who know the truth, not like millions of Americans? You already ignored this question, just because you don't have an answer :D
     

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