Mom shows them what they need to see

Which is a bald faced lie as i never have

 

If you had a child that turned out to be gay, would you call them "degenerate" or "mentally ill", or would you still love them and welcome them? Food for thought.

 

Why?

 

Rampant use of homophobic language ignored by teachers, or sometimes even coming from teachers and admin. Bullying of queer and queer-seeming kids ignored by admin. Lots of gender-exclusive rules around conduct and dress.

 

Do you think you'll get an honest answer?

 

People who get apoplectic about gays are typically insecure about their own sexuality. Their hysterical intolerance is a form of denial about facing up to it.

 

Sexuality is more than just sex. It's about who you love romantically, or at least non-platonically. There are people who have queer, romantic relationships that aren't sexual. I assume when you see someone's wedding photo or wedding ring, your first thought isn't "oh, they're ****ing." At least I hope not. And, the flag is about more than just gender and sexuality, but also queer culture, the struggles they've been through, and the courage to be comfortable and confident about who you are.

 

Sexuality. Thanks. Trying to sugar coat it or make it sound romantic isn't changing the entire purpose of the flag.

Try explaining the pride flag without talking about sexual preference

 

Again, I do not agree that it's pushing beliefs on others to simply display the flag. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, two of my youngest kid's teachers each have a Christina symbol in their rooms, and they mentioned them during the "get to know each other" segment at the start of the school year. They aren't pushing that stuff, it's just part of who they are. My wife has a pride flag in her room 1) because it's relevant to the social justice class she teaches and 2) to show that LGBT+ kids are welcome. Recognizing that a thing exists is not indoctrination. It's just living in reality.

By the way, that second reason for the flag needs some elaboration, it seems. "All are welcome" is not meaningful. You know the phrase "a friend to all is a friend to none?" It's like that. Cis-heteronormativity is just that: the norm. Non-queer kids, by default, do not generally feel excluded due to their gender or sexuality. But queer kids feel that all the time. They feel it out in public. They can feel it at home. And it's not immediately obvious which places are safe and which aren't. The pride flag says "You exist. I recognize you. You are safe here."

 

There were some white students who were beaten up and bullied in black majority schools up in Detroit... Seems to me if we were as sensitive and delicate as you we should probably be flying a white pride flag up in them schools to show the white people that they're welcome there yeah?

But you'd probably think that that's a stupid idea and I would agree.

So do you have any policy or signs that says no gay people allowed or welcomed? Cause all you're telling me about is anecdotes of poor behavior which every group experiences.

All you're telling me is that some teachers may or may not have said some piss poor things.

Because you certainly have not shown me that the policy of the schools is to not welcome gay people.

Did you want to try again?

 

I think I've already explained this pretty thoroughly. Because the pride flag represents sexuality. Because the pride flag represents a specific group and is not inclusive.
The only flag that should be flown on government property is either the district's flag in specific, the state flag and the country flag of the United States.

Did you need me to draw a diagram for you for this to sink in?

 

You seem to want to turn the flag into its basest meaning, which is dishonest and unhelpful. It's like when folks try to reduce the meaning of the US flag to slavery and genocide. Perhaps when you're mature enough to think about more than just sex it will make a little more sense.

 

That's colors what's the flag stand for? healing is it a healing flag?

Should I go to Wikipedia and post what I find there or are we thinking that you're just trying to be clever and avoid the actual meaning of the flag itself not the colors the flag.

Actually f*** it I'll do it anyway.

" rainbow flag or pride flag is a symbol of LGBT pride and LGBT social movements. The colors reflect the diversity of the LGBT community and the spectrum of human sexuality and gender"

Don't try to be cute

 

That's what the flag is dude it's a flag signifying that you don't like to have sex in a heterosexual normative way. That's it.

It's about how you like to have sex. Stop romanticizing it into something other than what it actually is.

 

Were those attacks completely ignored by teachers and admin, the district, and parents? Did the assailants claim some sort of "white panic" to justify the attacks? Were the teachers and admin constantly talking about "whitey" being a problem and deliberately excluding the white kids from events? Did they regularly joke around with students by calling them crackers and honkeys? Did they play "smear the whitey" in gym class? Were there separate rules for black kids versus white kids?

That's the equivalent of what was happening for queer kids in my home town, and continues to happen in a lot of schools today. Exclusion and intolerance is far, far more than overt, codified bigotry.

 

So more than just sexuality. Heh...walked you right into that one. That was easy. Next?

 

Gender is sex.

Thanks for playing.

 

Sounds to me like you just need to change school policy instead of flying a f****** flag everywhere because you're so ******n sensitive that you can't tell if a flag is being flown or not whether or not you're welcome.

Your flag's not f****** inclusive and it's entire purpose is to scream what your sexuality is. end point.

 

But gender isn't sexuality. Your whole claim about the flag is that is solely represents sexuality. It doesn't.

Thanks for playing

 

Teachers just want to help kids feel safe, and it has zero impact on you, but that makes you so angry. That much hate must be exhausting.

 

I can't imagine living with that much hate. Almost feel bad for him...almost

 

Or this one?

 

You seem confused if you associate trans with homosexuality.

 

And you proved it. Nothing you've said has suggested otherwise.