THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

.....it's true...Hostomel was a mere lovers tiff...a little misunderstanding bewteen the 11th/31st Guards AAD and the 72nd Mech....nothting to see....in no way was it a pivotal moment it's stupid to say it heralded the total collapse of the battleplan....completely false to assume that in less than 3 days the whole northern axis of attack was banjaxed.....

No indeed the Russian Shill Thinymajig is absolutely correct, the real plan...the main aim of this whole war was for Putin to have Russian MOD forces floundering around Ukraine inviting the death destruction of it's forces by UAF whilst scratching their chins looking for a plan!! and....It worked!!

Putin remains the master strategist!!

 

Another couple of points:

If we about-face and let this century's Hitler win, we will once again look weak and unreliable as a strategic partner, and this time we aren't even spilling American blood. We're talking about handing over some spare change and spare equipment from the "junk drawer."

Xi will feel much better about taking Taiwan by force one day, as we will once again have demonstrated that we will not go the distance and help defend a democracy from invasion and takeover by an autocracy attempting to redraw national borders by force.

How war works is you fight until you win, and that is what the Ukrainians mean to do. They are merely asking for our assistance to keep it up. Putler signed up for a new forever war, and like the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, assuring that he loses this one is as simple as supporting those who choose to fight and resist until they win. The one thing I could imagine deterring Ukrainians from keeping up their fight would be if we stopped sending support. Putler's resources are not unlimited. Old shells from North Korea will not make a significant difference. Drones from Iran will not make a significant difference either. Even missiles from Iran would not do so.

 

What are you talking about? I am a veteran, you got that part right. But what's all of that other stuff? Your imagination needs a thorough trimming or maybe a complete snip.

 

You definitely put everything in the right bag.

 

It's a powder-coated quagmire drenched in oil.

 

Qaddafi's CIA connections may have been limited to a pair of former CIA agents.

From June 1981

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/magazine/the-qaddafi-connection.html

"Seymour M. Hersh, a former New York Times reporter, is now at work on a book about Henry Kissinger to be published by Summit Books.

"By Seymour M. Hershive years ago, two former operatives of the United States Central Intelligence Agency - Edwin P. Wilson and Frank E. Terpil - made a business deal with Col. Muammarel-Qaddafi, the ruler of Libya.

"In essence, the former C.I.A. men, who had become partners in an exportimport business, agreed to sell Colonel Qaddafi their accumulated years of American intelligence-agency contacts, experience and expertise.

"Theirs was a product that could not be purchased on the open market.

"The colonel, who boasts of supporting terrorism in the Middle East, Europe and Africa and who has been attempting to set up his own new federation of Arab and Moslem states, was willing - and able, because of his vast oil wealth - to pay dearly."

If memory serves, Noam Chomsky has claimed Saddam's political party owed its rise to power in Iraq because of active CIA meddling.

 

Me too. I first went to Slovakia (passing through) en route to somewhere else but it was late when I arrived and had to stay the night. I fell in love with the place and the people. I love them and a few years later I met my wife. The only negative thing I can say is that although they have excellent ice hockey athletes they always lose in the finals! I hope Slovakia comes out of this war unscathed.

 

Thank you very much. I'll be reading this and clicking on the link later this evening.

 

I honestly think you are sleep-walking.

 

Ukraine alone is not going to be able to push Russia out of its borders it just can't it lacks the manpower and it lacks the resources to be able to do such a thing.

The only realistic way that you can push Russia outside of Ukraine's borders right now is if NATO got involved and went full force multiple pronged attacks on both Russian occupied land in Ukraine and Russian land proper.

And since that's not going to happen we're at a stalemate Ukraine's done amazing but I think this is the end of the road as far as games go this is where the the new lines are and we can go on under a ceasefire like North Korea South Korea we're neither side except the other's position or claim over that land but that's where we are

 

.. and something for you:

 

All Ukraine needs to do is honor the Minsk agreements and guarantee peace in Donbas.

 

I assume that you were very good at shouting "Ser, Yes ser!", but unfortunately you are not able to argue anything even on military questions about Russian-Ukrainian war.

 

just another walt.....

 

At the beginning , there was an assumption, that Ukraine will be defeated within a week. It's one and a half years since then. There is no need for direct NATO involvement, just give Ukraine all they need - shells, rockets, planes, weapons. The more they will receive, the quicker war will end.

 

I've provided you with enough information for you to understand the specific situation. I am sorry if it went over your head but if it will help, you can seek out Putin's own words on the incident. Better to hear it from the horse's mouth than listen to me trying to represent the source. How's that?

 

It will only lack the resources if we don't provide them.

Putler wants to wait us out. You're playing right into his hands.

 

There's more than one way to skin a cat and Putin knows how it's done.

 

Provided me with information that you are a veteran? You know, that's quite a weak argument about almost anything. I can find Putin's speech of 24.02.22, Where he told, that their goal is "denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine" You never ever was able to stick 2 words together to explain, how this fits with your claim, then Russia waned to occupy only Donbas? And the answer why you can't explain this is simple - you ate just copy paster without thinking ability. That's all.

 

The sheer numbers both sides can bring to the table alone are enough to tell you that in a battle of attrition. Russia wins. Do you want that?

 

You can always call me a liar and I can stick you on ignore.

There is nothing "weak" about getting Putin's strategy from his own mouth.

And does that sufficiently explain your dilemma?

What claim is that?

I don't understand what "waned" means. To be perfectly honest I also do not understand what, "You never ever was able ..." means.

If you believe I am only copying & pasting Putin's words then maybe you should just move along.

 

he thinks his Propaganda spreaders will weaken America's support, they wont

Ukraine is going "Red Dawn" on Putin

 

A war of attrition can end quickly depending on how fast the winning side can capture or kill its enemies. Cutting off and capturing armies the fastest way to victory.

 

That's no longer a war of attrition. A war of attrition by definition of the word "attrition" demands that it means the war would go on until one side no longer has resources or man power.

 

You can be absolutely certain that Putin isn't spending a minute of his day plotting the discredit of the US government. It must be obvious to every man, woman, and child that this American impeachment and indictment circus is a self-destruct button already in motion. He knows it - I know it - you know it.