I wonder if the atrocities directed against unarmed Israeli civilians

Therein lies the idiocy of the anti-gun agenda: they ONLY want cops and soldiers to possess guns. They admit there's no way to stop criminals from getting guns. So, they basically want law abiding citizens to be the only unarmed group in the country.

 

Well....Not to sound anti gun or anything, but the term law abiding is sorta irrelevant as long as prohibition, and birth control laws remain on the books.

Such laws violate our bill of rights, and render the term law abiding too ambiguous. Meaning you sorta support anti 2a rights to deprive citizens of their arms.

But thats off topic, so carry on. Just saying its but a want for regulation that people should be qualified in safety before being given a drivers license....arms license?

 

I am all in favor of teaching firearms safety in HS. I teach people who to use firearms effectively, lawfully and safely. I was just asked to do such a program for the local US Attorney's office (which I retired from 10 years ago). but the problem is, many gun banners want to put all sorts of of obstacles in the way of lawful gun owners. I heard some clown saying that gun owners should have the same amount of training a police officer needs to be certified. Not the firearms amount-but the ENTIRE academy experience.

 

What laws are you referring to that violate the bill of rights? Post the exact law that violated a specific enumerated right.

 

87r sb8 (of many other conservative attempts to disarm woman) body autonomy, aka liberty. Their and our right to liberty. Possibly plenty of RICO statutes, cases Obama and Biden exaggerated inmates for, etc.

Freedom isnt a pretty thing is it? We know conservatives are terrified of it.

 

Only the governors or the President can muster the militia for training. The gun rights advocates would love being given the requirement to purchase an M4 and shoot Uncle Sam's ammo all weekend. . The other part of the 60 million men in the militia who fail to show up properly armed can build field fortifications and dig latrines all weekend.

 

Would a license to own a gun be Constitutional under Bruen?

 

I wouldnt think so, because you dont need a license to own a car, you only need one to drive and a registration to park it. Im of the philosophy that if you tolerate property tax, and drivers license, its hippocritical to be against arms license. A car can be a weapon.

I dont understand bruens position on state vs federal law abiding narrative. Im simply pointing out the flawed thinking of pretending like supporting law abiding is different from the leftist agenda of requiring permits and registrations to be "law abiding".

 

Ok, you forgot to post the enumerated right from the Constitution.

 

No i didn't, its Liberty aka body autonomy.

 

that makes no sense. it's the left that hates freedom

 

Nobody would use property tax or car licenses to try to prevent a law abiding citizen from owning either.

Bruen basically states that if a restriction on the right protected by the Second Amendment wasn't in place in 1791 it isn't Constitutional.

 

Rights don't come from the Constitution nor do they have to be enumerated.

 

Not in my experience.

 

well the left opposes the first amendment, the second amendment, the tenth amendment, The left thinks all wealth belongs first to the government. Now you can make an argument on abortion but the counter to that is the right sees the fetus as innocent life (I think some do, many on the right use that as an excuse).

 

How about anything against the constitution is not something i support.

The lefts views on the first amendment are similar to the rights anti grooming conspiracy. Age appropriateness, spam, and hate speech arnt protected like that now are they?

The left sees a need for a safety net, social justice and social welfare, disease control aka national healthcare. I think the left is just more rational about the fact taxes are nessessary, and they have to be spent.

Im not aware of any other movements that seek to undermine the constiution from the left i would support.

 

Bodily autonomy doesn't appear in the Constitution.

 

To be protected by law, rights have to be enumerated in the Constitution.

That's like saying government authority doesn't come from the Constitution and doesn't have to be enumerated within the Constitution.

 

Nice work (if true). All Israelis, including women, are military trained so it would not surprise me if it was true. Unlike many Americans, they know how to use firearms. Given the situation in Israel (they are surrounded by enemies), they could opt for Swiss style system where military trained people (or at least some) could keep a military rifle + ammo at home (note, that in Switzerland they do NOT issue ammo).

I was in Israel few months ago, and it was interesting to see young women in uniform carrying M-16 / M4s.

Very well regulated indeed. 2 year military service (almost 3 yrs for men) teaches you very well. It is indeed considered a citizen militia supplemented by a small corps of career officers + those who are actively serving their conscription time.

If I had to guess, some, if not all, of the people in the story were in active service, which is why they had their firearms.

 

I would put the average American gun owner's skill with firearms up against the average Israelis any day.

 

Government authority does come from the Constitution; our rights do not. Are you familiar with the 9th Amendment or US v Cruikshank?

 

Really? So, an average guy with no training is on par with an Israeli with 3 yr military service.

Well, if that's what you want to believe then so be it. I know people who own guns, and don't' know very little about them

 

Sorry for the typos: people who own guns, and know very little about them.

And with permit less carry, the number of such people will only increase. Having said that, Americans do not need to be trained in military tactics like ambushes, like the hot Israeli heroin (heroine) clearly was.

 

where do you get the no training bullshit. I was never in the military. I shot expert on the military course with a DCM Grand when I was TWELVE. I have run over 50 registered 100 straights in NSSA skeet. I have a coveted 100 straight in ISU Skeet. I won the state ISU trap title twice-beating the US Jr champion in a shootoff in one of them. I shot a perfect score-with SIX different handguns on the US Marshals service qualification course. I held the national speed record in bowling pin shooting. I was a NSSA AAA shooter, a US Shooting Master in ISU Skeet, a USPSA Class A (when it was the highest rating-currently called grand master) in pistol. and there are thousands of civilians who hold master or Expert shooting cards

 

Its spelled liberty.