At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

that requires someone to know (and no-one can) what are the least number of collateral casualties that will happen in order for Israel to wipe hamas away. To me, what is acceptable is Israel getting rid of that threat that is what matters

 

I see Hamas like a cancer. If someone has Cancer that can only be removed with an operation, the WORST thing to do is to cut into the patient but ONLY remove SOME OF the cancer. If you aren't going to get rid of all of it, you are better off not cutting at all. and once you subject the patient to surgery, you damn well best get the entire cancer out or it will come back

 

For me, it comes down to the conduct and not a ratio or quota. Israel has the right to defend itself. If they are targeting military targets and they do what they typically do to mitigate unnecessary deaths like roof knocking, calling civilians, and using drones to count people leaving structures, they should be able to attack their enemy. The vast majority of civilian deaths in Gaza are on the hands of the terrorists using civilians as human shields and forcing Israel's hands. After their attack on civilians there is no way Israel could let them maintain power. Also if you set a quota and then take Hamas at their word for the number of deaths you're a fool.

That being said, I'm not a fan of turning off water and power to hospitals and civilians. Hamas should have used their funds to build up their infrastructure, but it's not like the Palestinians have had an opportunity to vote on such issues any time recently.

 

Not ONE!

 

How many "collateral deaths" are enough? Cool let's go with that. "Hey guys, Hamas said we killed 100x that number last night so we have to stop now." This is a fool's game which is why nobody is answering this question.

 

That is the exact type of virtue signaling that is responsible for the deaths of isrealis in the first place.

It's a completely unrealistic expectation.

And its exactly why Hamas does what they do. They hide behind civilians and shoot your comrades in the face.

Then the self percieved virtuous get angry when you fire back and kill them both.

 

I have no problem with the removal of cancer, but, that cannot be at the unlimited expense. No blank check. You keep dodging the direct question with analogies. Best to just front the question and provide the direct honest answer. That always works for me. Also, I don't look like I am weaselling.

 

Ukraine has killed Russian civilians so by your logic they should stop fighting back. Or does this logic only work when there were dead Jews?

 

SImply put there isnt really an answer. Its that complex.

But we know "not one" is foolish and unrealistic.

 

Nice to see you Pops. How about you? Will you answer responsively and directly?

To what extent are you willing to condone reprisal against a collective?

 

That is not my position at all. I said "NOT ONE' is acceptable to me.

 

Sorry I didn’t respond, but the magic number is whatever it takes.

The people Hamas slaughtered had no say in how Gaza and Palestine is where it is today. Killing babies served what purpose?

The Palestinians have to have an inkling to what their leaders are doing and so far they seem to be ok with what’s going on, they may even approve of it.

As I’ve said before, I’m wired for revenge and I can’t help it. When I wake up in the morning I don’t plan on harming, conning, assaulting or otherwise doing something bad to someone who doesn’t deserve it. But when I get fuct, and it happened twice in my life so far, the other person suffers waaaay more than I did. I’m not proud f it, but I’m not ashamed either. I am who I am. Accept it.

 

Which implies even one is unacceptable.

Which is completely unrealistic.

 

Thats not an unreasonable way to be.

 

A person pulls the tail of a dog and gets bitten in return. Libs blame the dog.

 

I've already answered above. I don't condone collective punishment. But, I do support Israel wiping out Hamas if they choose as long as reasonable precautions are made to protect innocent life. The problem I'm seeing with the Hamas defenders is they don't care if Israel uses reasonable precautions to protect innocent life and they don't care that Hamas is using them as human shields. Its ironic that through all their defenses of Hamas and the attacks on Israel, very few have condemned it. In fact, I've seen people accuse Israel of using their civilians as human shields while giving Hamas a pass.

 

So you want Ukraine to stop fighting and make peace, right?

 

I told you, I don't know what Israel has to do to get rid of Hamas and I am not gonna second guess them. Those who do, are usually Jew Haters or Islamist supporters or those who want to pretend moral superiority. want a straight answer-Israel should decide what it needs to do and then do it.

 

the disease of anti semitic (and I mean what most people see that as-ANTI JEWISH bias) bigotry is alive and well.

 

It's interesting that when Ukraine fights back Russia, as long as they take reasonable precautions to protect civilians they should be given a blank check to wage war despite civilian casualties. Then when Hamas terrorists start a war by killing a bunch of innocent civilians we have this "NOT ONE" standard. Have you ever heard anyone berate people asking for a specific number of dead Russians before Ukraine stops fighting? The primary difference I'm noticing is religion. Human life has a different value depending on their religion apparently.

 

Collective reprisal, ey?

Not entirely true. They do have elections there so the Israelis do have responsibility for its Government's land theft.

None. Other than it caused outrage.

If the Israeli's had no idea why do you expect Palestinians to know what Hamas is up to?

Presumptuous supposition.

I don't deny your right to go at the specific person who harmed you. But, if you seek collective revenge on his Wife and Family for example, I will never accept it.

 

Correct.

 

Come on. No excuses for attacking civilians, at all. If human shields are being used, you'll have to work around it so far as I am concerned, not shoot/bomb your way through it.

 

I cannot believe that so many posters on this board actually are in the Islamist Jihadist camp so I attribute their criticism of Israel is based on one or two of the following
1) they hate Jews
2) they hate the USA and see hating Israel as hating the USA
3) they really haven't a clue but those they associate with and agree with on other issues are Jew haters or USA haters

 

Nope, and I have never said that. What I have said is that NO civilian death is acceptable to me, and it should not be to anyone.