At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

Is that where you have pigeon holed me?

 

that's really convenient when you aren't the one taking casualties for fighting with one hand tied behind your back. On the other hand if you are an Israeli commander and doing what these armchair generals demand, will get your men killed, then it is a non-starter. If the Islamists don't like what is happening, they shouldn't have attacked Israel. And if the Palestinians are upset, they should refuse eo support and perhaps attack Hamas since Hamas is responsible for the casualties Palestinians are sustaining

 

Which is unfortunately unrealistic. Especially when Hamas hide behind them.

Like it or not the reality is that of someone is shooting at you while using a human shield your only option to survive may be to shoot through their shield, killing them both.

Your perspective is not one of virtue but of cowardice.

 

OH well isn't that wonderful But it's completely and thoroughly so unrealistic that it has to be rejected. What you appear to want is Israel being unable to defend itself so you can claim moral superiority

 

What I think is either arguing for the sake of arguing or trying to virtue signal. Unlike some others I don't think you are a Jew Basher

 

There is no moral superiority in fake virtue held aloft by such flimsy and unrealistic expectations

 

That's not how war works. There's a reason Israel does roof knocking and literally calls people on the phone telling them to evacuate. Innocent people will always die, just like Ukraine has killed innocent Russians. Does Ukraine roof knock before bombing in border towns? Does Ukraine call people and ask them to evacuate before bombing? If you are willing to support a country's right to defend itself you need to do so with the understanding that innocent lives will be lost. You can't have separate standards. And you can't hide behind platitudes and virtue signals.

 

Or in short, Palestinians are "Islamists"??? and Hamas, or they knew or can control Hamas...so they are all fair game

 

Fair game? Not exactly. But necessary and unfortunate casualties in the war against Hamas using them as shields.

 

I want Israel to exercise extreme/ultra caution and restraint, and not go all carpet bomb, wipe out anything Gazan or moving inside it

 

I have explained my position clearly. The Islamists use Palestinians-including Jihadist Palestinians, ambivalent Palestinians and even some Palestinians who despise Hamas as shields. You know that, I know that.

 

It's impossible to avoid civilian deaths when hamas uses them as shields. No amount of caution would work other than simply not waging the war.

 

I don't think Israel should take additional casualties by trying to meet your unrealistic expectations or demands.

 

He is either ignorant of how war is waged or he doesn't care if Israel loses more citizens trying to be "careful". It is like what my nephew encountered years ago in Iraq. He was commanding a Ranger Operation trying to root out snipers who were shooting at Americans/ He was riding in some sort of armored vehicle with a Second LT straight out of West Point and Ranger school when a couple 762 AK rounds hit the armored plate on their vehicle. The LT said he would take some men into the building where the sniper was. The building, an abandoned shell of what it once was had been the source of snipers for several days. There was no way to approach it unseen. My Nephew, the ranking officer told the LT to stay put. He got on the radio and a minutes later, the building was vaporized by the fire base he had called. No more sniper. The LT asked-what if there were noncombatants in the building. My Nephew noted that announcements had been made for people to clear that area for several days and he wasn't going to lose a few Rangers trying to get into a building where there was inadequate cover.

 

I think it should do EVERYTHING humanly possible to avoid even one civilian (Non Hamas) casualty, not hide behind an "Oh well, collateral damage is unavoidable" "human shield" carte blanche blank cheque.

I am not saying it can achieve that but I want to see it and its supporters here take and express that attitude genuinely.

 

If that was true and genuine, not a convenient window dressing facade behind which one can hide, fair enough.

But remember the old but true cliche, "The first causality in War is the truth." That applies to both sides.

 

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They possess the ability to. See no reason why they wouldn't

 

well most commanders aren't going to lose men trying to avoid non-combatant casualties. They won't try to inflict them but they aren't going to get their own men killed either

 

How many soldiers and civilians should the Israelis sacrifice to meet your sensibilities?

 

'My sensibilities?' No.......wrong.

My position is clear and already stated many times.

 

and I find your demands upon the Israelis to be both unrealistic and harmful to their citizens

 

Israel is increasingly trapped by its own rhetoric and propaganda, creating an atmosphere that leads many of its own citizens and supporters clueless when it comes to what they are getting into, causing not only massive human suffering in Gaza but potentially causing an eruption in the region that would surely consume Israel in its flames as well.

 

Okay.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/151/297/884/playable/51d7862c68a46d4f.mp4

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/...n-700-people-in-the-past-day-palestinians-say

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...s-5000-as-israel-continues-daily-bombardments

 

What would YOU do if some strangers came to your's and your neighbors homes and forced you to leave?

 

It's actually you blaming the dog. Since the peace accord, the number of illegal settlements has quadrupled and that is after the Palestinians in The West Bank have been relatively peaceful. The current Israeli government want to increase the rate of settlements building