At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

Did you ever condemn Hamas or admit Israel didn't bomb the hospital and kill 500 or admit that Hamas terrorists killed women and children in the most horrendous way possible? I don't feel like reading your books of BS, so just trying to catch up.

 

Fair enough. So tell me what should Israel do while hundreds of rocket fire from Gaza to Israel every day? As of today, Hamas keep firing rocket to Israel.

 

QUESTION ASKED: Did the Entire Media Industry Misquote a Hamas Spokesperson?

'I clicked the “Translate post” tab, which uses Google Translate, to see what text was in the tweet. This is what it showed:'



'Notice that the text refers to more than 500 victims. A victim can mean a death, but it, of course, can also mean someone injured in any capacity. Had the spokesperson not said that more than 500 were killed, but merely said more than 500 were victims?'

'If a news outlet is going to report a statement by Hamas, the specifics matter a lot when a claim made about deaths, initially attributed to Israel’s actions, was shared with and influenced the reactions of tens or perhaps hundreds-of-millions of people around the world.'

'The word “victim” was curious, but it was also text in a tweet, not the actual interview. And it was a translation from Google. How reliable was that? I was skeptical about the tweet text’s veracity.'

'I didn’t want to fall prey to the same secondhand sourcing error I suspected everyone else had done. So I hired two different Arabic translators to listen to the interview, then translate it and transcribe it into English.'

'The correct translation had to be that he said more than 500 were “victims” or “casualties”—not killed.'

Curious.

 

Interesting. 500 victims does not mean 500 dead. It could mean 20 dead, 480 injured.

 

They always 'miss' in the same direction.

 

Whatever gets people riled up more is what's better for the news guys. They don't care about the consequenses as long as they get paid.

 

And with every new lie exposed, the American People learn more firmly that they cannot be trusted.

 

You are splitting over numbers.

Even more important information is that “Ministry of Health” run by Hamas, elected by Palestinian People. Media call Hamas terrorist organization, but 5 minutes later they trust Hamas over US government.

 

AAAARGH! What nonsense. I'm amazed at the amount of anti-semitism in our society.

 

I'm all for Israel defending itself until it slaughters civilians indiscriminately. I'm not for killing civilians. Safeguarding civilian life is more important than killing Hamas, whether it is Israeli life or Palestinian. Palestinian civilian life is just as important as Israeli civilian life. Also, Palestinians are semites, so how is it in any way anti Semitic? I know the term originally was directed towards hatred of Jews, but the point is, they are all human. I amazed at the amount of anti-humanity in our society.

 

what should Israel do ? stop the war and go back to their lives like nothing happened?

 

While not a state, Gaza is a terrorist place run by terrorists. Those terrorists committed atrocities in Israel. Israel decided to get rid of Hamas, the terrorist element in Gaza. This is a correct and necessary decision. They warned the palestinian public to move south because the military was coming. Many did. Israelis will not target civilians but remember the Hamas people are also civilans. There will be some unintended death caused by the Israeli military. This happens in every war. Just consider Ukraine as a recent example. In that case the Russians did target civilians - a terrorist illegal act. Israel is doing what it can to prevent unintended deaths among the population. But the only way to avoid them Israel would have to abandon the attack on Hamas. If they were to do that there would be many more deaths in the future.

Israel didn't start it. It hasn't started any conflict. It has always defended against them. They must put an end to Hamas. Period. They did what they could to minimize unintended deaths. Now they must finish the job. Period. It isn't pretty. I wish Hamas hadn't done what they did. But it is what it is.

 

That is exactly what they want. I wonder why they didn't say these things against the Russians in Ukraine. The reason, of course, is anti-semitism.

 

No, you didnt give a legal perspective...you gave YOUR perspective. There is no such thing as a legal perspective as its strictly YOUR interpretation of laws that are built to be as open ended as possible.

But thats beside the point... You made a very specific, wild accusation that Isreal are bombing buildings if even ONE enemy is in them, without taking into effect civilian casualty. There is literally zero evidence of this. You can flounder as much as you want, but your claim holds no water and was wild and irrational.

You can by all means, admit you were wrong with such a wild claim and then go from there and elaborate further as to what you failed, but yet were trying to say. Thats acceptable.

But as of right now, your claim was reckless, unsupported, and in the face of all the known facts...incorrect.

 

Poppycock. If you are going to deny reality, you can have at it, without me.

 

Projection. It is you whom is denying reality. Making very specific and wild accusations without evidence.

 

Redundancy: and it is you who trot out the same bogus charge-- without a supporting argument-- which I have already explained and debunked, multiple times.

Simultaneously, you throw in the word "projection" which I would not be surprised to find is used in 20% of your posts. IOW, your baseless contention, so poorly alleged, bores me.

 

Yes, I, of course, condemned Hamas, multiple times, and supported Israel's right to completely eradicate them.

Yes, if you merely had read the OP of this thread, you know that I was not jumping to any conclusions, about which side was responsible for the hospital bombing. I went back and forth in my leanings, but did not "admit" either side was responsible until I'd seen an explosives expert, on site, give an analysis which seemed to logically explain the culprit as being Islamic Jihad, not Israel.

However, since then, this narrative has also come into question, and another scenario has been offered by one of our fellow members, which would perhaps even better fit the circumstances: namely, that it was not the Islamic Jihad rocket, with excess fuel, which had caused the hospital tragedy, but rather a piece of one of Israel's Iron Dome rockets, carrying the fuel that, since they have a greater range than the Palestinian rockets, also carry a greater fuel supply. In either case, however, it would have not been a deliberate targeting, but only a terrible accident.

Further there is no objective basis to assume that there hadn't been a packed courtyard of people who'd been killed, in addition to some in the hospital, due to the subsequent fire. Also, there is no reason to think that Palestinians, even hospital administrators, appointed by Hamas, would have known, if this had been an Islamic Jihad rocket; IOW, no reason to assume they'd not been speaking in good faith, when charging Israel. If they had just been wrong in their assumptions, this is a common occurrence in war, especially by the non militarily trained.

I am now starting to wonder why I am answering all these questions for you, to prove my neutrality, as your questions strongly suggest that you are not unbiased. You are also, apparently not willing to do much reading.

Here are some excerpts of mine, from this thread:

(From my OP):
DEFinning said: ↑
Because of this incident, President Biden's diplomatic trip to the Middle East, in support of Israel, is now endangered. However, I will underline, that this is still a developing story, and I am hearing both sides, in the American "left wing," mainstream media. There is an Israeli journalist on the T.V., right now, saying definitively that "Israel does not target hospitals," and that it would be foolish of them, to do so. I hope he is right. There are indications that this could actually be a case of a Palestinian rocket, which was mis-targeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...eek-2-tuesday-intl-hnk/index.html?bshm=rime/2


More posts:
DEFinning said: ↑
That possibility-- that the rocket was fired by a rival Islamist militant group, Islamic Jihad-- is already in my OP. I am leaning towards believing that, but it has not yet been proven.


DEFinning said: ↑
As you would know, if you'd read my OP, I am keeping an open mind.


DEFinning said: ↑
This event will clearly get much scrutiny, so I encourage all-- on both sides-- to postpone their final judgements.


And here is one of your posts, I've already answered:

hawgsalot said: ↑
Yes, have them stand up and fight the Hamas terrorists instead of siding with them and problem is solved, and Hamas will be over in a day.

The "them," to whom you were referring, were the unarmed populace of Gaza, of whom you would expect an uprising, against the well armed Hamas and, in lieu of that, you had been ready to condone Israel treating Gaza civilians as combatants, in complete disregard of the Laws Of Armed Combat.

You had never answered my reply, and this attitude flunks you from what I would offer, as a mirror checklist of questions for you to answer:
Have you admitted that Israel has blockaded Gaza for 15 straight years? Have you conceded that the conditions this has created, makes Gaza essentially an internment camp or, as human rights organizations call it, the world's largest open-air prison? Have you acknowledged that after being elected in 2006, Hamas ceased further elections, so now rules without any electoral mandate, but as an authoritarian force that has overthrown Gazan democracy? Do you admit that Benjamin Netanyahu has never shown any interest in making any "land for peace" two-state solution deal with Palestinians?

 

@hawgsalot

P.S.-- Did you realize that several Palestinians in the WEST BANK, are murdered, every week, by extremist Israeli settlers, and the police do nothing to stop it? In the 9 months of 2023, prior to the October 7, attacks--197 Palestinians in the West Bank were killed by Israeli settlers. Do you condemn this?

I know you are not much of a reader, and do not need to read any of what is below, in order to reply to what I ask you, above. But, as long as I had grabbed these posts of mine, prior to this thread, in answer to your questions (of the prior post), I might as well post them. (Tip: for a great shortcut, focus on just the large print lines that are usually bolded as well, or at least underlined).