Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. Bob Newhart

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    Had nothing to do with the resolution. Just revenge killing and lawlessness caused by British failure to keep the peace.
    Definitely not
    Maybe go through them then.
     
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    Dirty Rotten Imbecile Well-Known Member

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    I have since then. Do you have a problem with the sources?
     
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    QUOTE="zalekbloom"]
    raped Israeli woman[/quote]

    Using your logic: all Palestinians killed in Gaza were killed by Hamas!
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
     
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    When two nations want the same land, and when they are willing to fight for it, there is no point in comprise. There is nothing to negotiate.

    The only question is: who do you support?

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  5. Bob Newhart

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    Using your logic: all Palestinians killed in Gaza were killed by Hamas!
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/[/QUOTE]
    hmm . . . maybe read your post before posting so that it makes sense.

    And you don't give a damn what Amnesty International thinks so you're quoting them is kinda silly.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...an-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/location...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...pearance-of-palestinians-detainees-from-gaza/

    Seriously stupid for someone pro-Israel to quote Amnesty International.
     
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    That was just a quick and dirty run through a couple of sites. I'm not here to write a dissertation for you. The point stands.
     
  8. Bob Newhart

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    You missed the entire point.

    If I could have everything Amnesty International demands, I'd fully support it. 100% every article you just posted. But that means both Israel and Hamas have to follow all of Amnesty International's recommendations. All of them.

    I'll start with the first article you posted.

    "Civilians will continue to pay a heavy price until Israel dismantles its system of apartheid against Palestinians, including ending its illegal blockade on Gaza. "

    The National Socialists here deny the apartheid even exists. Those that actually don't disagree that the apartheid exists say the Palestinians deserve it and there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, there's a certain person who repeats the mantra "Palestinians were offered a state in '48" even though that's not true. But he uses it to excuse the apartheid system.

    Boy, I would love it if everyone jumped on the Amnesty International train.

    And yes I agree with the title of that first article too - "Palestinian armed groups must be held accountable for deliberate civilian killings, abductions and indiscriminate attacks" I, in fact, stated early on that the incident should be investigated, the criminals identified, arrested, and put on trial. And just like Amnesty International said, they shouldn't get the death penalty, they should get life in prison. As you're also an Amnesty International fan, I'm sure you believe the death penalty should be abolished as well.

    Let's look at the second one - "Hamas and other armed groups must release civilian hostages and treat all captives humanely."

    What do you think happened? All indications point to Hamas treating their captives as humanely as possible, and they went out of their way to release the civilian captives. This is somehow damning and justification to murder thousands of children and hundreds of babies?

    Read the entire article.

    "Amnesty International has documented evidence of violations of international law, including war crimes, by all parties to the conflict.

    Since the horrific attacks by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October, in addition to its devastating bombing campaign, Israel has intensified its illegal 16-year-long blockade on Gaza by cutting off water, fuel and other vital supplies, exacerbating a humanitarian crisis.

    Israeli forces have also arrested more than 2,000 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and have ramped up their use of torture and other ill-treatment against Palestinian prisoners. They have also denied all Palestinian detainees, currently counting over 6,800 people, access to family visits; sentenced detainees have also been denied access to their lawyers. Even the International Committee for the Red Cross have been denied access to the Palestinian detainees classified by Israel as “security prisoners.” During the past month, four Palestinian prisoners have died in Israeli detention in conditions that have not been impartially investigated.

    The organization’s research has found evidence of war crimes committed by Israeli forces, including of indiscriminate attacks during the bombardment of Gaza that have reduced residential buildings to rubble, levelled entire neighbourhoods and wiped-out entire families."

    I 100% agree if all the recommendations by Amnesty International were obeyed and followed, everything would great in comparison to what they are now and you would see me posting about justice reform in the U.S. than having to spend time on the nightmare Israel has created.

    So, go ahead - post more articles but Amnesty International. But, could you read them first? Maybe agree with the entire article before posting?

    Maybe you're not pro-Israel. Maybe, like me, you're tired of people who make excuses for Israel murdering children and babies?
     
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    When I belonged to Amnesty International the organization restricted itself to defending the right to dissent in countries where it was forbidden. Now they have gotten involved in all kinds of other issues. There is plenty for them to condemn in Iran and the Arab world.
     
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    Israel was founded as an ethno-state hence Arab equality is not explicitly stated in Israel's Basic Law; there are dozens of Israeli laws which indirectly of directly discriminate against Arabs.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
    • "Arabs comprise just over 20 percent of Israel’s population. The vast majority are citizens, while those in Jerusalem, which Israel claims as its capital, are considered “permanent residents.”
    • Arab citizens have the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis, but they tend to live in poorer cities, have less formal education, and face other challenges that some experts attribute to structural discrimination.
      Arab political parties have long struggled to gain representation in Israel’s government, and many Arabs have expressed alarm at the leadership of right-wing Jewish politicians, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu."
     
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    Palestinians are not illegal immigrants on the West Bank; they comprise the indigenous population.

    Racist, far-right Jewish settlers are the illegal immigrants, and they are committing daily human rights violations against Palestinians who are living on the same land their families have occupied for generations before 1967.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
     
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    Religion isn't a problem. The real problem is occupation ...

    Warfare Analysis on X: "Zionism is not Judaism https://t.co/ct2bRYVInE" / X (twitter.com)
     
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    is that gibberish speak for " I give up" :)
     
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    Does Zelensky walking away from a bad deal justify the Russian waging war on and annexation of large parts of Ukraine ?

    The Palestinians walking away from a bad deal decades ago does not justify the Israel's war and annexation either. Should we not be arming and supporting the Palestinians Jack .. help them engage in their right to self defense against foreign occupier ?
     
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    The deal the Palestinians were offered was not bad, considering it was extended despite their multiple defeats. Had they accepted it then, their situation would be very much better now.
     
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    Hey it’s cool that you can condemn the bad things that Hamas does in addition to what Israel has done. It shouldn’t be difficult to condemn terrorism
     
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    Hey it’s cool that you can condemn the bad things that Hamas does in addition to what Israel has done. It shouldn’t be difficult to condemn terrorism
     
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    Ok . . . you really do need to read the Amnesty International articles . . . Did you notice they never used the word "condemn". Did you notice I didn't use that word either?

    Look up the word condemn. Go ahead - actually read it this time.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/condemn

    Why do you think all the National Socialists consistently scream at me and others, "Do you condemn Hamas?"

    National Socialists hate the U.S. and despise the very idea of inalienable rights. That's includes a right to trial by a jury of one's peers. National Socialists demanded Hamas be condemned before October 7 was even over with. No gathering of evidence. No investigation. Agree with the state and its subsequent murder of babies and children or else. Condemning people without a fair trial and investigation is evil and wrong.

    Not only that, but the idea is to equate Hamas and the Palestinians, and by doing so justify anything the state does to the Palestinians.

    I don't condemn Hamas.

    I don't know what they did on October 7. There's been no trial much less an investigation. Unfortunately, I doubt there ever will be.
     
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    It’s a pretty heated topic too and I find myself getting a bit snarky too, especially that comment to truth an justice about masturbating his ego that I ca no longer find. I think it’s early on in this thread. So, my apologies for also being a dick.
     

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