‘Poisoning the blood of our country’: Trump delivers caustic attack on immigrants

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  1. dixon76710

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    Trump "Remain in Mexico" policy

    And they can be denied. Thats just Biden policy.

    Biden Admin is scheduling in 2031, just to report to ICE

    ALL above except those applying for Asylum at Ports of Entry are criminal illegal aliens. Very few go to ports of entry and they instead cross illegally


    Not when they illegally cross the border. And while Biden is also setting records on Visa overstays, they are now outnumbered by those who illegally cross without Visa under the Biden administration.
     
  2. Alwayssa

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    So do you want the Romeikes while their appeals are in process too?


    Yes they can, but that denial will still be granted whether they are in the US or not. But that's the process. The "Remain in Mexico" policy is problematic at the least, and a dangerous policy at its worst. So what do you do when their court date approaches? Do you allow them in? They must be present for the court case hearing on their asylum case. then what happens if it is granted, do you also allow them in or not? See how this policy is so problematic for those seeking asylum or refugee status. This was done by EO, and it is not law under Title 8. We have specific acts for unaccompanied minors. Finally, Mexico is not a safe haven by any standards. By remaining in Mexico, you are allowing the cartels to exploit them even further. It is a no win scenario spoken by posters who have never been through or experienced the system firsthand.


    You have a link to this claim? [/QUOTE]


    No they are not. They may be inadmissible, but Inadmissible simply means they are deportable aliens. Deportation is a civil remedy. INA and Title 18 have specifics of what a criminal alien is.

    EWI, or entry without inspection, in other words, they did not come through the POE, for a first-time offense, is a civil or misdemeanor crime per 8 USC. If it happens more than one time, it can be held as an aggravated felony per the 1997 Immigration and Reform Act, and under Title 8 and Title 18. But if they come through the POE, and are denied entry but insist on applying for asylum or refugee status, then they are inadmissible by law, but will be generally granted advanced parole to allow their claim to be processed while they look for work and a place to stay. This is what DHS Statistics show at the Southern Border with some 3 million or so encounters at the border. The question that will eventually be answered is whether their case is approved or not. There are already early statistics that show that some 30% are being denied. Once denied, they can appeal to the BIA, then to Federal Courts and even the Supreme Court if they want. But generally, this is a futile effort as the Romeike family has discovered.

    In other words, you are being lied to by conservative media here.

    To illegally cross the border simply means EWI, or entry without inspection. Some do, have done, but they can still apply for asylum or refugee claim. That claim process is three years minimum. Me, I am still waiting for an interview for my client who applied in 2017. This just gives you an idea of how long this takes and the complexities of asylum/refugee immigration law. My client came from a refugee camp in Egypt and has religious persecution. The client, with the entire family of young boys, are still here, working, going to school, and contributing to society as best they can. None are receiving nor can receive any federal subsidy programs whatsoever.
     
  3. JohnHamilton

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    If you bothered to look at the video tapes of the arrivals, you would have seen adults getting off the plane. But you need to push your narrative.

    In your world the people of Texas, Arizona and California should bear all of the burden caused by the illegal aliens. The people who live in the border towns in Texas deserve to be punished with 100s of thousands of illegals who take charge of their towns. These people are homeless with low skills to earn a living, and they can’t speak English. Yet you don’t care about that. Texas has to be turned into a blue state, then your dream of a one party country will come true.
     
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    You showed a link to the article that talked about mostly unaccompanied children. Then another reporter asked about migrants. Again, the point I was making is that any transfer of persons by the US government is under the authority of the US government much in the same way the government transports prisoners within the Federal System.

    Now, once they are released under advanced parole or for minors, by family members who can prove they are related and willing to take care of the minors. But I generally don't watch politically motivated videos on anything because they never tell the whole situation, just a part of it for political purposes.

    Big difference when Texas and Florida do it by coercion. The incontrovertible fact that they are applying for asylum/refugee status much the same way, no strike that, the same way, as the German family Romeikes. And yet, you guys are not concerned with the Romeikes. Again, why is that?
     
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    @Alwayssa, you are an open borders advocate; I believe that the immigration should be controlled. We have nothing in common. That is where the country is now. It's useless for us to debate. The left has only one position. Open borders. They might consider keeping criminals out of the country, and I would hope they would want to control terrorism. But when I see the kids in the street calling for the end to the state of Israel, I have my doubts.
     
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    LOL. Immigration is controlled whether you see it or not. What it boils down to is that you don't want "these people" here to begin with, even if they go through and are approved, if they are approved, of asylum. I can give you people like the Cubans who did this, including the parents or grandparents of Marco Rubio, the grandmother of George P Bush, and others.

    No one wants criminal aliens in this country whatsoever. ICE arrested some 35000 criminal aliens in FY 2023 alone. A criminal alien is not any alien who is here illegally, aka inadmissible. It has a specific definition They have to be subject to deportation, under a deportation order by the courts and who refused to leave. Not all crimes make an alien subject to criminal alien status, and they can be a legal immigrant as well.

    https://www.kanulaw.com/blog/2017/january/what-is-a-criminal-alien-/
     
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    You can want a proces the way you say it is. But the thing is that politicians yelling around that closing the borders is the answer. Lots of people think that the Dems open it up, which they don't. Etc etc etc. So no matter what you want as proces, it's always going to be about the borders. While I do believe it's about the money. It's always about the money. And them immigrants come because they can earn a buck. And they earn a buck because Americans want them and pay them like a bunch of coke addicts.
     
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    Source it.

    As far as I know. Trump and his company actually employed illegal aliens. It's just cheap labor. Americans got their mouth full with protecting their border and bla bla bla. But in the end, there seems to be a total broad consensus about employing people who work for dirt low wages and no questions asked. It is all about the money. And them illegal aliens wouldn't be coming if they weren't making more money illegally as some hardly educated employer doing that odd job than back at home legally in a profession that they had learned for. Americans simply massively employ those people by the millions, while it's government almost always just looks the other way while yelling around that the border must be closed. So that is one hell of a massive incentive for those illegal aliens. They all know that they just have to just manage that easy hurdle of crossing the border and than it gets to be just a smooth ride OMG how on earth could they resist this.
     
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    And you don't know jack and illegals come here an readily get fake ID's and get employed by LOTS of people. What a stupid dumb excuse for Biden allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS at the rate of 300,000 a month INVADE our country. How long can we sustain 300,000 illegal immigrants coming here and living off the taxpayer dime? They have no work permits who is going to hire them? We can meet ALL our employment needs with AMERICANs and if we do need additional through LEGAL immigration.
     
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    Oh do I? I asked you to source your nonsense and you have not because you're just making it all up.
     
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    Isn't that the Trumpian MO??? (and adopted by his disciples)
     
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    What nonsense? You missed the record 300,000 illegal immigrants that entered last month. You think fake ID's are hard to get?

    Again for how long can we accept this rate of illegals entering from AROIND the world and keep the country we have?
     
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    I asked for a source first, and you're replying with 3 questions? lol
    Obviously you talked utter nonsense and can't prove a thing.
     
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    Re: source it: I doubt he screens housekeepers, bus boys, etc. And BTW, where is the proof? People seem to get a free shot a Trump where proof is concerned.
    How does the left and their "customize the environment to suit us" square with the additional low income population that cannot afford EV's to get to work? The typical immigrant buys an old car and fixes it. I predict virtually no resale market for EV's six years or older due to the end of life horizon being just down the road. EV's are making gasoline cars priceless.
    Lastly to the enviro-weenies, what is your view of the ideal population of the USA? Shall we just let the entire world in? Why only the easily exploitable peasants?
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...439928-16a2-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html
     
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    Your assessment is wrong and dangerous....There are a few that have entered to do us harm.... They are amongst us...
     
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    Politico is lying like they always do.

    [1] Politico is being dishonest in pretending that illegal invaders (lawbreakers who invade another country, refusing to assimilate into the existing culture) are equivalent to immigrants (people who legally become citizens of another country and assimilate into the existing culture of that country).

    [2] Take a look at how much England (London), France (Paris), and Ireland (Dublin) are "enjoying" their "diversity".

    Invite people who hate your country into your country and what do you get? Violence, and LOTS of it.

    Slowly at first..........
     
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    You need a skirce for the number of border crossings last month? Are you denying the 300,000 or pleading ignorance?
     
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    Hmmm so explain how you think NY alone "received" over 160k illegal immigrants in 2022, per their Democrat Mayor?
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/us/us-mexico-border-migration/index.html
     
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    Saw an article this morning where the Governor of New York is saying the $2.4 billion in taxpayer dollars allocated to the "migrant crisis" is not enough. Plans to draw $500 million from a state fund designated for "One Time Emergencies". That would put the cost to NY taxpayers on the state level to $2.9B. That does not include the expenses made by cities. New York City alone has spent $12 Billion over the last three years dealing with it. Biden years.....

    And sucking the economic blood, AKA our tax dollars.... out of the citizens, to benefit the people in the country illegally- which have no right to be here, but are being welcomed, accomodated, benefitted and transported by a president who's sworn duty is to make all decisions and actions to benefit the American people he is there to serve.

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/new-york-migrants-crisis/2024/01/16/id/1149852/
     
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    Pretty sure crossing the border illegally is a criminal offense.
     
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    When the Right accuses the Left of being Fascists, as they have been since Trump, you can be sure they are working for an Authoritarian government headed by their man with the spray tan, Trump.
     
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    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a30379305/trump-winery-undocumented-workers-fired/
    And you're free to use google yourself.

    My point is still that people are rather ok with employing illegal aliens all the time, if that means cutting costs.
    That's why the country is overrun with them. They aint coming because there is some kind of Swedish socialist policy arranging happy handouts for all immigrants in the US.
     
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    I still asked you to source your claim first, and here you keep on going tossing in new questions.
    Obviously you are just making things up and toss in trolling questions when you got no argument to make.
     

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