‘Poisoning the blood of our country’: Trump delivers caustic attack on immigrants

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  1. dairyair

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    Why not list all this free stuff illegal immigrants get from the fed gov? Then we can see if it's true or made up.

    Let me give you a head start.
    ER care at hospitals.
     
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    I typed in a list. Please read my post.
     
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    From April 2022 to November this year, New York City has spent $1.2 billion on illegals. Mayor Eric Adams has said the Biden has refused to speak with him about this issue for a year.

    Care to comment?
     
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    It's misleading because if one person in a 8 person household (such demographics often have large families) has accepted welfare within a year, they go on that stat. Those numbers include legal residents, as well. In the general population, it's something like 40%, so it's not too far off, factoring in that a large percentage of illegals won't be hired, or have to work at such low paying jobs they require assistance. If the general population were at a similar disadvantage, that 40% could easily rise to 63% of households. Again that number is NOT 'percentage of illegals on welfare'.

    Thing is, here's another fact for you, the upper 50% own 96 or 97% of the nation's wealth, so, given THAT FACT, I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'm inclined to believe, given that fact, that the upper 50% should assist the lower 50% in toto.

    According to a report by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate for foreign-born persons in the United States was 3.4% in 2022, down from 5.6% in 2021

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf

    So, be careful how you present your statistics, which are easy to mislead in order to forward a particular political anti-immigrant agenda.
     
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    democrats lie far more. they only pretend they care about requiring immigrants to obey the law
     
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    What nonsense. Probably even more households made up of immigrants who are now citizens with the same large families.
     
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    String together a few words and make an argument if you can. The number of deportations began the un precented spike in your graph when Biden took office is because there was an un precedented spike in illegal crossings of the border when Biden took office. About half the illegal crossers are deported so a graph of illegals being released into the interior would show the same un precedented spike. And a graph of "got aways" since Biden took office would also show an un precedented spike. AND a hypothetical graph of unknown got aways would likely show an even more dramatic spike as Biden de activates remote monitoring of the border and fewer agents monitor remote surveillance as they are needed to process the millions of migrants.
     
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    Irrelevant
     
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    Yes yours was a typical strawman deflection so how about an honest answer

    You think we should just continue to welcome with open arms these illegal FOREIGNERS en masse who want to bring THEIR culture and lifestyles and languages here and it has no negative effects on AMERICA the COUNTRY and our culture and lifestyles and language?
     
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    They are starting to run SPANISH LANGUAGE commercials on my cable TV and I have to sit through them if I can't get to the mute button fast enough.
     
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    No YOU need to understand the border is out of control not only cant they stop the floods coming across they can't even get them registered for their NINE YEARS AWAY court dates. NONE of them are trying to come here legally when the ILLEGALLY cross the border. If they want to do so legal then they can APPLY and be hopeful that MAYBE one day they can, they have no RIGHT to do so.
     
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    Nonsense, running from the hate rhetoric that history has taught lessons of and turning that hate onto migrants speaks volumes if you can justify victimizing illegal aliens instead of getting Congress to fix asylum laws. Peddling B/S doesn't fix the hateful rhetorical displayed into OP topic.
     
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    as cam you. One persons truth is not necessarily another.. Truth and FACTS can be two different things.
     
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    Those are not illegal immigrants. They are here legally.
     
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    Those immigrants are not illegal. They have a legal status.
     
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    If you can't read and understand a simple chart. Words are not going to help.
     
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    no, it isnt.
     
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    No, they cant.

    Only in the mind of the left, can something that is factual not be true.
     
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    Nope. The "truth" is not always factual. But facts are always true.

    either way..... this is a tangential conversation ;-)
     
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    No, thats the same line of thinking that there is "my truth and your truth" which is another absurdity the left created.
     
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    The key problem is that they come, because Americans have no problems employing them.
     
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    If two people witness the same car accident......and then relay their observation's to the authorities. Each is telling the truth as they perceived the accident, and yet the content of their observation can differ to a degree. No two people observe a situation exactly the same way but yet they related it truthfully.

    This is not a right or left issue , it is a PEOPLE issue.
     
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    False. There are peoples perception of the truth, and then there is the truth.

    Having an incorrect perception of the truth, doesn't make what you are saying true.

    Its the left that has incorrectly diagnosed this people issue as your truth and my truth which is an objectively incorrect way to percieve it.
     
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    So they are a benefit to the country and they know this . So in essence they are gettig a mixed message: They are hireable, but are not really wanted in the country and are deported ( usually some months later after they have established themselves with employment. Wouldn't it be wiser to have a more efficient system at the border where those that cannot come in ( unqualified) could be politely but firmly turned away . Just as important would be the message that potential immigrants should get BEFORE they even leave their country of origin. ie: The facts of what they can expect should they arrive . And what the qualifications are.
     
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    False, its unclear exactly how much benefit vs detriment they cause. For instance, many contracters are forced to accept lower pay because of the over abundance of illegal immigration of low skilled low education workers. That matters.
     
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