When WAS America great?

They are people who enter the country someplace other than a port of entry. They are along the border and in virtually every town and city in America. Millions.

 

Here's one by a woman. 2009 though. Do you doubt the basic premise? https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/05/women-are-more-unhappy-than-ever.html

 

I was thinking largely of unmarried welfare mothers with illegitimate children. With few exceptions those children grow up to be as useless and frequently as dangerous as their parents.

 

Certainly not over the last three years, that's for sure. We need a president who will Make America Great Again.

 

Under the President, the economy is again thriving, jobs are again being created, the nation's crumbling infrastructure is finally being rebuilt, and the United States is again respected abroad.

The Loser pissing on democratic elections, law and order, and the Constitution is not all it's cracked up to be.

 

I asked you to prove something? Can you quote me? SMH.

Yes, I answered your question. Did you watch the video? Hundreds of thousands aren’t vetted at all. The Biden administration official says so.

No. Moving the goalposts won’t help you. Have you ever heard of the term “catch and release”? It’s not just gottaways that aren’t vetted. Asylum seekers are released into the country without vetting.

https://rcusa.org/resources/asylum-process/

Think about it. If an individual has to have a court appearance AFTER release to determine if they are eligible for asylum, how on earth could we know enough about them to know if they are a security risk?

https://anwarilaw.com/immigration-services/asylum/two-paths-obtaining-asylum-united-states/#

And between 6% and 11% don’t show up to court.



I’m a bit concerned folks know so little about immigration. Not surprised, but concerned.

 

legal immigration was controlled at official ports of entry only, not across thousands of miles of open border which is my point. Yes, people would get processed once they got here but other than asking them for a name, papers and a rudimentary health status check, they were let in and free to roam the nation at will. I think they might even have been granted citizenship on the spot, that one I am unsure about though.

 

When conversations go silent for several days, it is often easy to forget what a discussion was about. Since this is such a brief exchange, I will put it all here

Our brief conversation has been...

It is important to note that it was built by legal immigrants. It is also important to note that since 1882 legal immigration was limited to those that were not criminals, insane, or unable to take care of themselves. In other words, they needed to be able to take care of themselves financially.

All too often, people pushing your position conveniently blur the line between legal and illegal immigration. They are not the same thing.

I said not one thing about your fictional Guido, but I did make reference to the Immigration Act of 1882, and it proscribed the precise requirements that I conveyed to you. If "Guido" were old and infirmed, a criminal, or insane, he would NOT have made it in, and if somehow he did make it in, he would not be receiving one thin dime from the government. They were 100% responsible for taking care of themselves.

"The Immigration Act of 1882 was a United States federal law signed by President Chester A. Arthur on August 3, 1882. It imposed a head tax on non-citizens of the United States who came to American ports and restricted certain classes of people from immigrating to America, including criminals, the insane, or "any person unable to take care of him or herself." The act created what is recognized as the first federal immigration bureaucracy and laid the foundation for more regulations on immigration, such as the Immigration Act of 1891."
Immigration Act of 1882 - Wikipedia

Back to the original point, it is important to note that this country and its westward expansion was fueled by legal immigration. Dont blur the line between legal and illegal, because they are vastly different things.

...It was me that started this conversation, and my point all along has been that while as you say this nation was built by immigrants, I wanted to make it clear that this refers to legal immigrants. I accused you of purposefully blurring that line to act like what is occurring now is what built this country. That implication is as off-based as it gets. You are defending the current border crossers by implying they are the same group of people that built this country. They are not. It was legal immigrants who did so. In other words, our government controlled who did or did not come even back in the day.

If you want to now turn this into a discussion about whether the southern border was guarded....of course it wasn't. Immigration policy at that time was directed at Europeans primarily. Mexicans were free to come and go as they pleased, but you have to remember that the southern border for most of the 1800s was unoccupied land. They literally had nowhere to go. They were not part of civilization in any meaningful way. Westward expansion had not yet begun. France controlled land closer to that border than did the United States. At some point Fort Worth would have become an outpost for a scant few, but even it was in the middle of nowhere. In other words, turning this into a discussion about the desolate southern border is about as off-base as it gets. Of course the southern border was not closed. There was no reason for it to be. There is a reason now. A BIG reason.

 

LOL.
I knew you again made up stuff.

 

I knew you were just making stuff up. again.

 

1 woman?
No, say it isn't so.
1 woman?

 

And?
How many women and/or children is that? Couple hundred? Out of 300M.
And what's your expertise on how children grow up?
If all children grow up like their parents, there'd never be any progress. For, the kids would do the same as parents

 

What policy has change in the last 40 - 50 yrs to address that?
What policy has Biden implemented?

 

One example is different rates of enforcement of 8 USC 1325. Different administrations have prosecuted at different rates. These prosecutions are down 70% under Biden.

Immigration policy has been bad my whole life. It’s getting worse. The longer we employ bad policy and fail to enforce the law the worse it will get.


Biden is just a time stamp in a long list of failed administrations on immigration. I’m not sure why Biden is especially important to our discussion. He is trying to reverse his early positions on immigration. Has to for a shot at re-election I suppose. Even blue governors and mayors are pissed at him over immigration. Not in my backyard….LOL.

 

In September 2023 there were 218,763 known, contacted illegal immigrants. The border patrol has their names, etc., I don’t. They are for the most part living in the US waiting for court dates and security vetting. A few on terrorist watch lists etc. were detained.

In September there were approximately another 50,000 (600,000 total in 2023 divided by 12 months) illegals who were not contacted (gottaways) that are now in the US with no documentation and no court dates. Just folks we know nothing about in the wild.

So in short, about a quarter million illegals monthly. Names and court dates on about 80% of them. Almost all free to do as they wish (except work legally) in the US.

That help?

 

And?
Here, have another, this one from 2023. https://neurosciencenews.com/women-happiness-psychology-23862/
I just did a search looking for the opposite (woman are happier now than before) and its top results came up with women are less happy.


Have you done a search that finds otherwise?

It doesn't take a high % to make some US spaces unlivable. And the map below is old, well before the Left's massive jump in homicides in the black communities of the early 2020s. Other less severe crime rates may have actually dipped in these areas as the Left is actually trying to ignore whole categories of crime.



And the map above is old, well before the Left's massive jump in homicides in the black communities of the early 2020s. Other less severe crime rates may have actually dipped in these areas as the Left is actually trying to ignore whole categories of crime.



Al Sharpton and Friends Come Up An Idea To Stop “ALL CRlME”
"change the definition of crime"

 

Most children are the same as their parents. Evolution advances when the best parents have the most children, and when the worst people have none. That is why we need eugenics.

 

What did I make up? I answered your three questions accurately. I realize you support open borders. I can't tell you what I think of that because it isn't allowed on the forum

 

I didn't think your would tune it. It takes less time to deny.

 

That data, while informative is only about criminal aliens. Those already in USA.
What is missing is how many criminal aliens are there? Maybe that number has dropped also.

You are correct, no one has really addressed immigration policy in many many decades. Reagan might be the last one.

I conclude from the lack of either party really wanting to address the issue as a sign they/we want those immigrants.
I have never seen a R plan on immigration. Except to build an extremely expensive and mostly useless wall.
Walls can be gone over, under, around and smuggled through.
As Israel found out with their border wall with Hamas.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/bidens-numbers-january-2024-update/

 

If they are hear waiting for a court date, their status is legal. Albeit, temporary. Until their court date and determination.

 

Crime rates climbed everywhere in the world during the pandemic. To blame it on one skin color is sort of dishonest.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/crime-rate-statistics

 

Who's the decision maker on good or bad parents?
Afterall, it's highly subjective.

 

No you didn't. You gave your opinion.
And your ignorant projection about me proves you really don't have an accurate answer.

 

No. They are subject to a fine and up to 6 months in jail. They are just not prosecuted. That’s the problem. They are illegal. They committed a crime. The act of entering outside of a port of entry defines them as illegal.

If I break into a closed and locked drug store, I am making an illegal entry. I’ve broken a law. I’m an illegal occupant of that store. Whether or not someone enforces the law and prosecutes me is irrelevant to that fact.