Get ready for the dirtiest campaign in our history

Call me a liar and in your mind it will firmly confirm you opinions. That's how you work!

 

Besides the undeniable gross incompetence of the people in office, the ongoing damage they do, you see nothing. That's where we are; there is no "starting place' for rational discussion.
You aren't going to change what you believe, you've demonstrated that with virtually every post. Yet, you challenge people to somehow force you to do what you are dedicated to never doing, and call them failures for not playing your game. There's nothing to be won here. You aren't going to get confirmation of your delusions. If you can't see, and you choose not to see- you are stuck.

The root cause, the barrier to America overcoming this chaos- is that kind of perception. I won't honor it by pretending it's worthy of being on the table of reason in the first place, that there is some kind of duty to prove that nonsense is nonsense. I consider it a tragedy that any intelligent person would.

 

You remember that time in school, when somebody shoved you and you shoved back- but the teacher blamed you both equally? That was injustice, and you knew it.
If you sit down at a poker game and find you are the only player that's not cheating- you have three choices. Quit, Loose everything, or learn to cheat better than they do.
When the game is your life, quitting isn't an option. You know that is injustice too- but the need to survive has forced you to participate in it.

The real issue is who started cheating, and why are they being allowed to play at all. If you are like the teacher who can't identify that or don't care about the injustice, the injustice will continue.
The hostility it produces will escalate, the tactics will become ever more abusive- and everybody will lose.

It's not the candidates. We have been "throwing the bums out" for as long as I can remember, yet things get worse. What's wrong is the tolerance of abuse and of people who will not regulate themselves- and will do whatever they can get away with. Chaos favors those people; it is the absence of Order, which is the absence of control- and the fuel for corruption and injustice.

When people take sides without clear cause, nothing is resolved or improved.

I can't say I represent what the RW is, but I do know who I am, and the people I know on the right are- and they don't fit your view at all.
Humans all have faults, so you can take anyone and come up with a way to denigrate them. But when it comes to people with a duty, a wise man, a fair man, will look to the performance of the duty, not their personal views to measure them.

The left embraces that. The right sometimes does so- but the provocation seems to be consistently on the left. You can choose not to see that, just like that teacher- and impose further injustice.

 

NOBODY on the left actually believes that Putin would prefer Biden over the guy he can manipulate. The guy who keeps the nation's nuclear secrets in his bathroom. We KNOW he said that to give gullible MAGAs a talking point. And, sure enough, in this thread alone you are one of those MAGAs who have done exactly that.

It's part of the Russian disinformation campaign. The same propaganda campaign I PREDICTED you would be one of the first to echo. And, sure enough, right on queue you did not disappoint.

 

I love how you try to appear objective by saying both sides then you want to make it part of Trump's legacy rather than Senile Joe's

 

A liar? No.... Calling you a liar would imply that you knew that was a fake endorsement but that you are willfully propagating it.

Noooo.. What I'm saying is much worse than that.

 

What? No link to where you yourself display this "honesty" that you claim should be demanded of others? What a shame...

Didn't expect one, of course...

Whenever I make a factual claim that is relevant to the discussion, I provide a LINK or reference (see OP). You... you just make claims. THAT is not sign that you have the least bit of interest in a constructive debate.

Your WHOLE post is irrelevant to this discussion. If you want to claim that the left does what I am describing (and I provided evidence of) that the right does... SHOW the link.

Even in this thread alone there are plenty of examples of posters already repeating Putin fake propaganda. And all you do is write loooong meaningless diatribes about some "honesty" that you yourself don't engage in.

 

It already is the dirtiest presidential campaign in American history, although Lincoln's got pretty nasty. However, your routine and common examples of today's "dirty" campaign are child's play compared with the egregious dirtiest campaign going on now. Never before has the administration weaponized the DOJ, Justice, and media to criminalize and, maybe if luck holds out, jail the primary opposing political candidate, and they are doing it unabashedly.

 

Thank you ! It pays to stick with the truth.

 

I see you clinging to this "Deep State Conspiracy Theory". If at least you had ANY ... let's not even say "proof"... even so much as a smidgeon of evidence that this conspiracy is occurring...

There are two possibilities:
1- A conspiracy involving hundreds of judges, prosecutors, the press.... even Trump's own people who are willing to go this far incriminating themselves, giving up their reputation and some of them even having to do prison sentences ... Hundreds more creating all types of evidence, documents, audios, threatening witnesses. All confabulating in such a perfectly organized and synchronized manner that not a single piece of evidence that there is a conspiracy ever escapes these groups which involves thousands of people....

OR

2- Trump actually IS a criminal.

Ever hear of Occam's razor?

 

Yes. The explanation of weaponizing DOJ, Justice, and media to get rid of the chief political opponent in an election year is by far the simplest -- doesn't requires a ton of intellectualizing or conjuring up rationale or making long descriptions on how and why it is something else.

 

No one cares what the TDS Sufferers in the Pantheon of Tinfoil think. The fact remains that Traitor Joe's policies have benefited Russia and harmed the United States, so Putin's endorsement of Traitor Joe makes perfect sense - something that is sorely lacking amongst Russia Kollooooooooozhiun Conspiracy Theorists and Hoaxers.

The Left's orange bête noire who is so much worse than its own Dear Leader who just narrowly avoided criminal prosecution for purloining classified documents because he has the mental acuity of cabbage. Tell us more about how these things soooooo sincerely concern you all.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

And you "KNOW" this because he told you? By all means, let's see your evidence.

You would be wrong on both counts.

1) The TDS Sufferers in the Pantheon of Tinfoil made a talking point out of this with their Russia Kollooooooooozhiun conspiracy theories and hoaxes, and while it's fun to watch them choke on them there's nothing amusing about how Traitor Joe's weakness, imbecility and counter-productive policies have helped Putin and harmed America and its allies, most particularly our friends in Ukraine.

2) I'm a card-carrying Libertarian, not "one of those MAGAs" (sane people refer to them as Trump supporters, by the way). Congratulations on your ignorant assumption - that was very informed and intelligent of you. /sarc

Just like the Hunter Biden story that was part of the "Russian disinformation campaign"......until it wasn't.

Go ahead and substantiate your claim. This should be fun.

You predicted I would echo one of your own unsubstantiated claims?

LOL - That's quite a talent you've got there.

 

A Deep State Conspiracy theory involving hundreds.. maybe thousands of people...is simpler than Trump really IS a criminal?

Yes it DOES require that. A LOT of rationale! Just... saying it... doesn't make it true. Unless you are saying that we should accept it on "Faith".

That would shut down any expectation of a serious debate. But then, I don't understand why you keep saying it as if it WERE open to debate. Do you consider saying it some sort of ... prayer... that you have to repeat every so often so you're not condemned to MAGA-hell, or something like that?

 

Dishonest by the Right? What planet were you living on back then? Over 90% of the bias news on Trump was negative. They even gave credit to some of the stuff Trump did to Obama. They held a three year investigation from a dossier they knew wasn't true on Trump for colluding with Russia to sway the vote to him. The Democratic Party put it out just a few months before the election. Yet they carried it out for years and in the end said "No Americans was involved."

Like Trump took credit for fixing the VA that Obama did? Or that Trump kissed Putin's rear end? Like Trump rode on Obama's coat tails to fix the economy? Or like Trump didn't do any good things while President? Or like he did a bad job fighting the virus? Like he praised the White Supremacist in Virginia while taking down Lee's monument? I could go on all day of the lies, that the bias Left wing news did on Trump. But it seems you Left wingers know of nothing good he did because of the fake news that your Party fed them. There was nothing fair at all about the last two elections. The Left Wing FBI kept saying Biden's Son's laptop wasn't his, it was Russian disinformation before the election. when they knew from the start it was his. Didn't let that information out till after the election. Promised to pay off/down thousands of school loans right before the election that could have effected the vote of over 30 million voters. I could go on all day of the crap your Party and FBI pulled. Like making social media hold up on many post Conservatives did that they didn't want published. Two states have sued them for that. The Left say what they want, but they don't want Free Speech for the Right.

 

So was the bias of the News against Charles Manson. What do you expect when you're covering a criminal? You expect them to NOT report FACTS?

Everything in the dossier that CAN be demonstrated at this point HAS been demonstrated. And about the Trump campaign colluding with Russia... did you expect the press to not report what the special prosecutor appointed by Trump's own party FOUND?

All your post is you complaining because the press is reporting FACTS

Look... this thread is about FAKE news. Not about the press reporting REAL news.

 

Bullshit. Pure, unadulterated. You pick and choose to support what you want and ignore the rest. That's not research. It's not the pursuit of truth or facts or understanding.
Nonsense and bullshit aren't items to negotiate, they are things you throw out immediately. You're not going to insult or challenge your way into some kind of farce discussion of them.

This will be a dirty campaign alright, because of the embracing of such crap by those who can't field a candidate that can actually do the job, and are willing to discard self-respect and honor in an effort to keep the power to abuse and profit. It may be true that this is present on both sides- but the left owns that territory, and I think my research and logic is a lot more critical and legitimate than yours in coming to that conclusion.

The democrats used to have some genuinely honorable candidates, and I've voted for many of them. They have zip today, and they know it. They have no choice but to abandon the standards, but the bottom is already there. Desperation is all that is left, and there is no legitimate record or success to campaign on. They have no choice, because they lack the courage to face the responsibility for their own failure and dishonesty. That would be at least a step towards rehabilitation, instead- they chose denialism. I'm saddened by this; I believe in people, I believe we all have the ability to stand tall and be proud of ourselves. I also know that that is a choice, that it takes courage, that a lot of people can't cut it, and that they will flock to the places that allow them to tell themselves they are what they are not, and don't have to face it.

I feel sorry for them. I don't entertain their need to be there or their excuses - and I don't vote for them.

 

Then YOU point it out. But point it out with a verifiable reference. My sig tells you how this is done: I do MY research, you do YOURS. I have yet to see you making ANY claim... probably ever... in which you provide an objective reference that we can all verify.

 

Right. How do you also think that picture of Trump being arrested would affect the Left? I ain't voting for any criminal. That would go against Trump as much or more than trying to help him. There are more Libs than Cons. It might even make many cons vote Left.

 

Biden will win. He will go on vacation for a couple of years to give Israel time to do all the stuff they need to do in Gaza. He will then retire and give the rest of the term to Kamala.

 

If you relied on your own capacity rather than selected points of view, I might assume you understood what you are doing. As you have said, you don't rely on what you think, you let others tell you what to think-
And you do that selectively to build support for what you want to believe rather than actually thinking for yourself.

It's boring, repetitive, predictable, and worthless. It's also nothing that can be proven to you. Stop challenging others to drag you, kicking and screaming against your will, to another point of view.

 

You mean if it were real? The left would be happy that another criminal is taken of the streets and can't do so much damage anymore. That should be the normal reaction of ANY normal person. It's unfortunate that there are many people in this country who would root for the criminal

 

I let REALITY tell me what I think. This is why I provide references, links, documents, evidence... of what I say.

Your projection knows no limits. You believe everything Donald Trump tells you. And proof of this is the LACK of references, links, documents, evidence.... You just repeat everything Trump says as if it were fact.

And this is the same reason, going back to the topic of this thread, why YOU will be the target over the next 8 months, of fake news.

 

Yes I do expect them to report facts and they didn't, they lied and I just pointed out to you some of those lies. There are a hell of a lot more I didn't come close to put up.

That dossier could not be verified as true and the FBI knew it when they took it to the FISA Court. They should have also informed the court that information was gotten by the opposing Party. Commy even told Obama the day they filed it that it could be verified, but they had to sign affidavits that it was true. The FISA court chews the FBI over it.

""When FBI personnel mislead [DOJ] in the ways described above, they equally mislead the FISC," the court's presiding judge, Rosemary Collyer, wrote in the order. "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable."

news.yahoo.com › steele-dossier-verifiedThe Steele Dossier and the ‘Verified Application’ That Wasn’t
May 18, 2019 · According to this account, Brennan, along with Obama’s national intelligence director, James Clapper, heroically refused Comey’s plea because the dossier had not been corroborated.


www.worldtribune.com › comey-signed-fisa-warrantComey signed FISA warrant on same day he told DNI that FBI ...
Feb 16, 2021 · The Jan. 12, 2017 application signed by Comey was marked “verified,” representing to the FISA court that allegations from Steele’s dossier that Page had met two sanctioned Russians

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   Feb 15, 2021 · Beth Baumann | February 15, 2021 2:05 PM Advertisement AP Photo/Andrew Harnik, File Newly-declassified documents show then-FBI Director James Comey purposefully lied about
   

 

STILL waiting for you to show how Russia has profited and benefited off Trump. You keep withholding all this amazing info. Cmon!! Show us. We’d love to know. Where’s the dirt dude

 

Your Party not only lied the teeth out Golem, they bought the election by promising to pay off/down 35 million school loans. Not only that you figurd to get almost all the Black vote by offering them billions in reparations

1. www.pbs.org › newshour › politics2020 Dems back idea of reparations for descendants of slaves
   Feb 25, 2019 · Politics Feb 25, 2019 5:10 PM EST Several Democratic presidential candidates are embracing reparations for the descendants of slaves