Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

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  1. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    No, I described what Hamas did on Octobre 7th. The fact that you deny it speaks volumes about you.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That fact that you are denying what the IDF is doing speaks volumes about you.

    In your point of view:
    Hamas kills 1,200: Evil
    IDF kills 30,000: good

    All of the killing on both sides is evil. The difference is Israel has killed and maimed more by more than an order of magnitude.
     
  3. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    Don't put words in my mouth, iSaid no such thing.
     
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    There is no credible evidence that the IDF has killed 30,000.

    OTOH, Hamas has gone out of its way to document its atrocities against civilians.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you talking about? Even the US government admits the numbers that have died. Where are you getting your info that the numbers are not credible??

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-h...h-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

    "The ministry is the only official source for Gaza casualties. Israel has sealed Gaza’s borders, barring foreign journalists and humanitarian workers. The AP is among a small number of international news organizations with teams in Gaza. While those journalists cannot do a comprehensive count, they’ve viewed large numbers of bodies at the sites of airstrikes, morgues and funerals.

    The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions.

    “The numbers may not be perfectly accurate on a minute-to-minute basis,” said Michael Ryan, of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Program. “But they largely reflect the level of death and injury.”

    In previous wars, the ministry’s counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel’s tallies."
     
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  6. Esau

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    It's likely 100,000. Not sure where you get your figure of 30,000 from..
     
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    Got it from the MSM and the Hamas supporter I replied to. The MSM always cites Hamas as the source. IOW, incredible sources.

    Given that the IDF attacks are always predictable and the availability of so many underground bunkers/tunnels, a high body count is very unlikely.
    Well -- unless Hamas bars civilians from sharing their underground sheltered facilities.
     
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    The UN was caught red handed collaborating with Hamas, and given its long record of human rights violations it has not been credible for decades. Surely you know that.

    It is easy to document dead bodies, Hamas went out of its way to document its murder of civilians on 10/7.
    The reason Hamas has not documented 30,000 let alone 100,000 casualties is obviously because such documentation does not exist.
     
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    Hamas supporter, huh? I told you in no uncertain terms that I do not support Hamas. You obviously DO support the IDF and their atrocities. I condemn both.
    So, take your support for the death of innocents elsewhere. I don't tolerate it, unlike yourself.
     
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    Oh, the 12 out of 30,000 UNRWA workers? THAT is your collusion? Long record of human rights violations? Are you sure you were not reading about Israel?
    You probably cheered when we cut funding to them, condemning the innocent of Palestine to further suffering.
     
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    He is repeating a whole lot of Islamic and leftist lies. The reality is Christians and Jews had a demon status where they had to pay a 10% tax (in addition to all other taxes which added up to a crushing amount) or they would be killed or at the very least their children taken to be raised as Muslims (depending upon how close they came to coming up with the tax) and they were mainly restricted to the worst jobs in society. There were times, isolated times mostly, where I dividual people of Christian or Jewish faith could rise to hold positions with in Muslim kingdoms or empires but that was mostly because the Muslim ruler couldn't trust his own Muslim brothers.

    BTW there were also Christian kingdoms and Empires which welcomed Jews and treated them well though, like in Muslim kingdoms, it all depends upon the current ruler and when that ruler ladies things could change.
     
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    The article you quoted is from November 7. Two weeks later:
    https://apnews.com/article/palestin...y-gaza-hamas-fe30cbc76479fa437d5f5a0e96c36e52

    How many terrorists have been killed in Gaza so far?
     
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    3000 UNRWA workers celebrated the October 7th Hamas massacre.

    https://unwatch.org/unrwa-terrorgram/
     
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    Not to mention, Israel has failed to provide any evidence to support that claim of the 12.
     
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    It's not realistic or even possible to expect 1 million ppl to hide underground.

    Let's be honest here.
     
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    How about addressing YOUR ppls treatment of Jewish ppl throughout the centuries.

    You like to point a finger but fail to see the hundreds pointing back at you.

    Care to address the fact of JewISH ppl being kicked out of every European country?
     
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    The only massacre on Oct 7 was Israeli Apache helicopters gunning down hundreds of ravers and hamas that were in cars together.
     
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    No, I didn't place a race card, you can discriminate people according to skin color, religion, ethnicity, race or the size of the nose - general name for people who discriminate other people is 'racist', so it is 100% correct to call people who discriminate Ashkenazi Jews 'racists', as to call Hutus 'racists', even they are the race as 800 thousand Tutsis they murdered.
    If you think otherwise:
    how would you call people who discriminate Ashkenazi Jews?
    how would you call people Black people in South Africa who discriminate Black immigrants?
    how would you call people Black people in Ruanda who murdered 800 thousand Black Tutsis?
     
  19. Esau

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    You can call it prejudice.

    Is that not impactful enough for you?

    You think racism is a more powerful word but that doesn't give you the right to appropriate it.
     
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    I can't translate what is being said but I can see that this reporter has never missed a meal.
     
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    The deep tunnels created by Hamas have been surprisingly extensive. Beyond that Israel has targeted specific areas and slowly expanded its control over Gaza. Civilians have been able to move out of the way of these attacks.

    If Israel had carpet bombed and instantly incinerated Gaza as they Allies did to Dresden a high number of civilian deaths would have been inevitable.
    Given that Hamas is especially publicity hungry there is no way that they would have failed to show off 30,000 bodies if they existed.
     
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    Its not a matter of thinking if you know what happened between Hutus and Tutsis, but as it turns out Western Woko Haram clowns dont give a **** when it comes about real African history.

    Of course its racism, its the very definition of it. How can he appropriate it?
     
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    You do realize you are walking the path of Holocaust deniers, right?
     
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    What is this racism you're referring to?
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    The notion that another ethnicity or race is inferior to another. In the case of Hutus and Tutsis to the extend that you should slaughter them indiscriminately.
     
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