Aid to Gaza suspended after Israel murders World Central Kitchen workers

Well, the Greeks called it Mesopotamia, so in a sense, it did exist. But I feel generous today, so let's call it Sumer since Ur was a Sumerian city-state.

 

The stories about Joshua etc may be just fictional, like the creation stories and Noah etc. But either way, people have settled in that area for over 10,000 years, and long before Judaism was created and those stories were written, and before they created their gods in their images and likenesses. But they are still the stories which the Zionists use to claim that area and to remove the Palestinians.

 

OK , if you want to be pedantic, perhaps I could quote a grid reference for Abraham's supposed birthplace (assuming he actually existed). But either way, it was nowhere near Israel, and therefore the Zionists have no historical claim for that area despite the fantasy stories about an imaginary god giving the land to them.

 

What motivates a desire to see proof of something that comes from a religious book that is not an historical record.

 

The Israelis understand perfectly well who allowed them to create Israel. They are not trying to remove palestinians. They are trying to remove Hamas.

 

yes. You were right.
Mesopotamia was the wider world and sumer was a province within.

 

Ye, the British.

 

IOW the seven decades history of that area will just continue unchanged for the next seven decades and more, and particularly if Iran develops nukes as a deterrent.

Learn from history. Alas nothing was learnt from the fiasco in Vietnam etc.

 

But it still resolved the issue, and unlike the Palestine issue where nothing has been resolved in the same time frame.

 

The United Nations, however, had a two state plan for Palestine, not a one state plan. Removing Hamas won't resolve that, nor will destroying all the houses in Gaza and killing tens of thousands by starvation or bombs.

 

Israel will eradicate Hamas and implement Netanyahu's "The Day After Hamas". Peace, security, and prosperity will return to Gaza as it was before 2005. The same should happen in the West Bank after Israel eradicates Hezbollah. Peace is only possible in this region if Israel supplies the needed security forces. The failure of the two state solution in Gaza starting in 2005 confirms this.

Iran will never use nukes against Israel. If there is even a hint that they would the Israelis will strike first as they did in 1967. Iran is not stupid.

The Vietnam lesson from history is that the Johnson administration gave away the victory in Vietnam just as the Biden administration is trying to give away the victory in Gaza. The Tet offensive was a total and complete defeat of the North Vietnamese. The Viet Cong were destroyed and the NVA suffered major losses and was severely compromised as a fighting force. Johnson pulled the US military out and millions died as a result.

 

Read and understand your history. The issue in India and Pakistan involved the mass exodus of Hindus and Muslims from the respective regions to India and Pakistan respectively and the violence that occurred in that process. That was not expected - it was thought that the two religious groups would stay in the respective countries and learn to peacefully coexist as they did in Israel. Millions died.

In the case of Gaza every single Israeli Jew had left Gaza in 2005. All the infrastructure was left behind including a functional international airport and huge amounts of agricultural and construction equipment for the benefit of the Muslim Arab population of Gaza. Gaza was an Arab state with Arab governance and 100% Arab population. Within a year the terrorist organization Hamas violently seized control of Gaza and started attacking Israeli civilian neighborhoods committing both acts of war and war crimes. This would have continued endlessly but October 7 was the straw that caused Israel to act to completely eradicate Hamas from Gaza for the benefit of Israeli and Gazan civilians.

 

The 1947 United Nations two state solution failed because a coalition of five Arab states surrounding the new Jewish state (Ben Gurion lead the establishment of the nation state of Israel in 194 attacked Israel. The two state solution failed in 1948 and again in Gaza in 2006. The failure of the two state solution in both cases was the aggression and attack of Arab military/terrorist entities. The sooner that Hamas is removed from Gaza the better for the Gazan people. The longer Hamas remains the more Gazan civilians will be killed.

 

This "hide behind the civilians" is absolute BS.

NOBODY thinks the IDF gives a rat's butt about civilians.

Yoav Galant says anyone over the age of 4 is Hamas.

The use of starvation is applied to the total population.

The destruction of hospitals, killing of doctors and nurses, execution of patients in their beds - NOT concern for civilians.


Yet YOU think someone is hiding behind civilians? Why would anyone do that???

 

Are you claiming he is unable to read history?

Is he noticing that ancient history is not a justification for anything happening today?

By the way, tell me that Joshua wasn't a Zionist. He used terrorism to steal the lands on which people were living, believing that God supported his Earthly avarice

Do you believe the Bible is correct in identifying God as the necessary power in that terrorism?

 

Reread. According to the Bible, Joshua and God made an example of Jericho, slaughtering every man, woman, child and animal in Jericho.

The result of that terrorism was that other city states surrendered their property and government to Joshua with little or no resistance.

 

That's just your opinion. Unless there is a two state solution, nothing will change. Our country is preparing to recognize a separate Palestinian state, and presumably separate diplomatic contacts.

 

The story says that the people in Ai & Hebron and other settlements also had a similar fate as Jericho.

 

The lesson from the American war against Vietnam is that the American Imperialists were never ever going to win, even though they ironically financed the French Colonialists and wanted to nuke the Vietnamese and bomb China before the French colonialists were kicked out in 1955, and the American Imperialists then supported a corrupt police state and not the Vietnamese. The Viet Cong were South Vietnamese and were never defeated since the American Imperialists never knew who they were fighting.
And it wasn't Johnson who pulled them out anyway when they slunk back home, since he wasn't even president in 1975.

 

That's what Hamas does. They hide behind human shields. This and the inaccuracy of the rest of your post has been pointed out and proven multiple times but faith based narratives are impervious to facts.

 

That is reality proven by the historical record. There is no possibility of a two state solution without security provided by Israel. But faith based narratives are impervious to facts.

 

That was a tragedy of major military self pride and misjudgment.

It's not too unlike our foray into Afghanistan.

It is certainly not uncommon to misjudge the defensive capabilities of an indigenous people.

 

Palestine's membership in the UN as an observer state is a fact.

The only reason Palestine is not a full member is because of the US veto in the UNSC.

There are about 193 UN member states that recognize Palestinian statehood and have diplomatic relations.

There is a move being made by the West Bank government to once again put Palestinian statehood before the UNSC.

 

And the weapons of self deception in Iraq.

 

Only time will tell after Netanyahu gets kicked out next election.