10 Myths Many Religious People Hold About Atheists, Debunked

They spent more on it than any other organization.

I suggest watching Proposition 8: The Mormon Proposition. Very interesting.

A religious organization using the government to enforce their moral code.

 

As an Atheist ill give my viewpoints and show that they are not self worship.

I dont believe in God because of either historical innacuracies, and/or the "magic" aspects of the bible or other holy books. I dont believe people can live in large whales, I dont believe people can live hundreds of years, I have seen all of the so called prophets that came before Christ that had so many of the EXACT same details as the Christian bible...Including people like Krishna and other stories like that. I dont believe in Resurrections and I dont believe that people fly in Chariots into the heavens.

Stuff like that. Religious people defend these things by saying they are analogies for other events. I dont buy that. Thats just my opinion.

That doesnt mean I worship myself, it means I dont worship a creator. I believe in Science, I believe in Evolution and I believe in History and Archaeology.

With that said, I am not anti religion. I have no problems with Wolverine seemingly being more of an Anti Religion type (if that is even true at all) there are different levels of Atheists and I am more of a moderate so to speak. I am not closed off to the idea of there being a "higher power" or something like that, however I have seen no evidence of one, and so therefore I choose not to believe in something where there is absolutely no proof. All of these prophets who claim to have spoken with God, or Angels.....They were always alone in a Cave, or in a Desert, or somewhere where nobody else could disprove them.

Anyways Neutral, I saw a post where you asked Wolverine to explain why he is an Atheist and so I am responding to that myself. I hope your faith brings you happiness, and peace, and joy. My non belief in any of that stuff brings me that happiness. I try to live every day like its my last (as much as possible) because I dont believe I will go to heaven when I die. I think when I die its over. Done.

 

The issue is, I have already explained to him on more than one occasion what my brand of atheism is, however he is incapable of understanding what exactly that is. My "anti-religionism" is only directed towards those who deny our reality and use the belief as a means of preserving their bigotries.

You will not find many secularists who rail against homosexuals in the way that theists do. Why do they rail against homosexuals? Why do they deny homosexuals equal protection under the law? Religion.

We can take a peaceful religion, free from fear, hatred, and violence, and not contridictary of reality, place it before me, and I would not be as dismissive as I am towards the Abrahamic religions.

Atheism certainly is not self worship, it is a disbelief in the supernatural. What is the alternative? The worship of a man made myth? Would that some how be more agreeable to other people? That is the bit that I do not understand, and the bit that is never answered directly and logically.

 

There is only one word of caution here, I was a straight A student in science all the way through college, accept evolution, and am a punished historian who ha spent no small amount if time in archeology.

The point being that the evidence for God in a scientific sense is not conclusive.

For example, where as you point to magic or parables and do not believe, we would point to the lessons of those parables and teaching of compassion, charity, and love to be profoundly true.

Not all atheist are cut from the same cloth, some are genuinely curious and open minded and Teresa is much to learn from such points of view.

Unfortunately, modern atheism seems over run with malign intent and an unhealthy focus in anti -religion rather than on the philosophical aspects of atheism.

Too often the discussions of points of view and differencing perspective are lost when atheist simply wish to bash religion. Please note the OP, and then note wolverines utter failure to actuallysupport the OP premise if what atheism is.

If indeed atheism is multicultural then it should not be blaming some warped conspiracy between the Mormon church and oppressive government for the defeat of its political agenda. Such antics only deepen rifts, and they fail in analysizing proceeds critically and allowing forincreased returns in the democratic process.

If atheists wish to vie the result as being beaten by the Mormon church, the n it would be best to how they beat them and find ways to do better in the next election..

Besides, if you want proof if the devil, I think I just found it in the auto correct feature on the gadget I am using.

 

There is only one word of caution here, I was a straight A student in science all the way through college, accept evolution, and am a punished historian who ha spent no small amount if time in archeology.

The point being that the evidence for God in a scientific sense is not conclusive.

For example, where as you point to magic or parables and do not believe, we would point to the lessons of those parables and teaching of compassion, charity, and love to be profoundly true.

Not all atheist are cut from the same cloth, some are genuinely curious and open minded and Teresa is much to learn from such points of view.

Unfortunately, modern atheism seems over run with malign intent and an unhealthy focus in anti -religion rather than on the philosophical aspects of atheism.

Too often the discussions of points of view and differencing perspective are lost when atheist simply wish to bash religion. Please note the OP, and then note wolverines utter failure to actuallysupport the OP premise if what atheism is.

If indeed atheism is multicultural then it should not be blaming some warped conspiracy between the Mormon church and oppressive government for the defeat of its political agenda. Such antics only deepen rifts, and they fail in analysizing proceeds critically and allowing forincreased returns in the democratic process.

If atheists wish to vie the result as being beaten by the Mormon church, the n it would be best to how they beat them and find ways to do better in the next election..

Besides, if you want proof if the devil, I think I just found it in the auto correct feature on the gadget I am using.

 

There is only one word of caution here, I was a straight A student in science all the way through college, accept evolution, and am a punished historian who ha spent no small amount if time in archeology.

The point being that the evidence for God in a scientific sense is not conclusive.

For example, where as you point to magic or parables and do not believe, we would point to the lessons of those parables and teaching of compassion, charity, and love to be profoundly true.

Not all atheist are cut from the same cloth, some are genuinely curious and open minded and Teresa is much to learn from such points of view.

Unfortunately, modern atheism seems over run with malign intent and an unhealthy focus in anti -religion rather than on the philosophical aspects of atheism.

Too often the discussions of points of view and differencing perspective are lost when atheist simply wish to bash religion. Please note the OP, and then note wolverines utter failure to actuallysupport the OP premise if what atheism is.

If indeed atheism is multicultural then it should not be blaming some warped conspiracy between the Mormon church and oppressive government for the defeat of its political agenda. Such antics only deepen rifts, and they fail in analysizing proceeds critically and allowing forincreased returns in the democratic process.

If atheists wish to vie the result as being beaten by the Mormon church, the n it would be best to how they beat them and find ways to do better in the next election..

Besides, if you want proof if the devil, I think I just found it in the auto correct feature on the gadget I am using.

 

You see what I mean.

Not only is he telling me what I think ans what my religion is he is not stating what his atheism is, he's justvspelling out some political positions (positions shared by many Christians, a fact he refuses to acknowledge ) and then screaming that big bad religious people are out to get him?

And this is the face of modern atheism, those who operate on horrific, disingenuous generalizations, while overtly avoiding the reality around them and for what purpose?


It is quite literally all about him, for the countering points of view (which he only acknowledges through spite and inaccuracy) to his political view points. Nothing else matters, and that is why we are left with nothing if substance - nothing else matters, as everything the interjects into this utopian state is clearly incoherent ranting.

What is there to debate? His much modern atheists hate religious people? We got it already.

 

Good points by both of you. In response to what Neutral said about the Mormon church and that "conspiracy". It is well documented that the Mormons spent millions trying to defeat gay marriage in California.

I used to live in Utah, I have seen the power that the LDS Church wields. It is considerable. So I dont view it as a conspiracy.

With that said, I dont think any laws prohibit a Church from spending money on court cases or propaganda. Correct me if I am wrong, but I dont believe those laws exist.

In response to the point Wolverine made on Gay Marriage. I agree with you 100% that there is no legal argument to be made against it and it is all religion based. I have been arguing that point in other threads. So far nobody has been able to come up with another valid reason why it shouldn't be legal. Their only response is "Society doesnt benefit from it" which isnt an argument at all.

That is the reason why we are SUPPOSED to have a seperation of church and state. Unfortunately that doesnt always happen.

 

Here's one myth about atheists that is true: They are not going to heaven.

Heaven is the destination of people who depart from this world as God's friends.

If you are not God's friend, you do not go to heaven.

This would include many people who go to church, but are not really God's friends.

 

"Love me or die".

A fear based doctrine.

 

I have found that the religious arguments against gay marriage actually make more sense than the non-religious arguments. The non-religious arguments are just a poorly constructed masquerade.

 

If your religion is true then yes all of us non believers aren't going to heaven.

From what I have heard about heaven I could really care less. All thats specified is that you get to hang out with Jesus. That doesnt really sound all that great. Im sure Jesus is a cool guy, and fun to talk to, but I think after the first 500 years or so I may get sick of listening to him talk about how awesome he is and how his Daddy is better than our Daddies. lol.

I hope that wasn't offensive, im just joking around. But seriously, at least the Muslims get the virgins. Christian heaven doesnt sound all that great.

 

What is a good point? Consistent misdirection?

What is the thread tire? What is the debate supposed to be about? How atheists are committed multiculturalists? He they ate actually well educated and chummy folks? Chummy folks who bash everyone from Alabama as a religious nu job and castigate people based solely on their religion as a cause of war and strife?

So tell me his is ignoring alma that to pick up a new club to bash religion in any way shape or form a good or relevant point to be made?

In fact, while you are at it how about you go ahead and spell out for me why the angkucan church is appointing bay bishops if its religion that causes all homophobia? His about you address say tue Mormon churches position, which seems rrlavnt giving the screaming about its conspiratorial ... elections? Mormons view homosexuality as no different than other forms of sexual immorality. Married and want to screw around? Sorry brother can't do that and remain Mormon. Oh, but your heart pins for her and you are denying yourself the succor love if you don't commit adultery? Oh but with other forms of sexuality, well that is different is it?

Tell me brother do you control the sex in your life or does the sex control you, because if you are religious and believe God and his teaching are what should guide you, then perhaps allowing sex to control has some relevance.

Sealing of relevant things there is also secularism. Guess what? Most christians are committed secularists. Unfortunately, atheists seem to view secularism as an exclusive thing where religious voices are excluded. Unfortunately for atheists, we have this thing called a constitution and it just so happens that our nation is duty bound to protect but not favor amy legitimate belief. That includes yours. So when you speak about the Mormon hitch participating in politics guess what? They are allowed to, indeed supposed to.

That way the policy thatis best argued, best generates consensus wins. That is not a violation of secularism, it how things are supposed to work.

Not sure what amy of this has to do with a too young atheist thinking he is going get his brains smashed in because he atheist and all religious people are violent?

Nor indeed does any of this explain the misdirection of dumping out homosexual morality when confronted for stating that our religion makes us violent? Its simple excuse, and demonstrates why #3 is a growing perception for atheism, whose adherents appear incapable of anything save bashing religion.

Somehow thatbis religions fault, not the individual atheists?

 

I dont share his views that religion causes people to be violent. I think it plays a role but I think socio-economic conditions play just as big of a role.

I dont blame Catholicism for Priests molesting young boys. I dont blame Islam for Suicide Bombers.

Does religion play a part in some of these occurences? Sure. But it takes a desperate, mentally unstable person to allow religion to do this to them.

 

It's not possible to describe Christian heaven but we do know that it's a far better thing than we can imagine to be in the presence of God and see his face.

And hell might not be so bad except for the company. You will share eternity with all the selfish people who couldn't bother to help anyone else but themselves. You will share eternity with all the people who grabbed for what they wanted without thinking about the people they hurt along the way. You will share eternity with all the people who went about their business, indifferent to the suffering of others.

In such a world you will pretty much have to fend for yourself because no one is going to give you a helping hand without wanting something in return. No one will care if you are having a bad day. No one will care if you feel sorrow or pain.

 

Ya but im unselfish. Seriously. So maybe there are more people like me there?

What is so fun about looking at the lords face? Im just curious.

 

And atheists who aren't selfish....?

Oh, right, I guess they still go to hell...

 

Notice how the fault is always with others?

Why do you care about hell? Or anything else we believe? Its all rubbish to you isn't it?

 

Why so hostile to discussing religion? We may not care about, but that doesn't stop us from discussing it. Do you dislike others pointing out the flaws of your creed? If so, why not address the argument instead of an ad hominem as above?

 

I would hate to live around the people that you do.

Anyways you are ignoring a fairly obvious aspect of eternal punishment.

You can kill every living thing on earth, and in your last moments, accept Jesus as god and ride into heaven.

You can life a selfless life and reject the supernatural, and burn in hell for all eternity, even though you gave your mother your kidney.

That makes a lot of sense.

 

But we don't worship ourselves. In fact, we don't worship anything.

This has already been said on more than one occasion, however it escapes those who are unable to unserstand such simplistic concepts.

 

Who's fault is always with others?

Whether hell is "rubbish" or not, I am referring to the beliefs themselves, regardless of whether they are actually true or not.

 

So you say. Other just asking us to take your word for it, what have you explained?

Because from where i sit, the way it usually works is someone says somethimg critical of atheists and you disagree and assure us that this is not the case... Because you say so. If that doesn't work you start hurling accusations and become generally angry, furthering the intellectual basis of your assurance.

But then that pretty much is self worship. Its not just how you see it that matters, its the strength of your arguementation that matters. Simply put you have none. All you have is, "atheist good and religion bad!"

The topic began with you attempting to make a case that atheists wer rally nice, level headed people, comitted to multiculturalism. Somehow we are talking about how much all us religious people hate homosexual without actauly addressing any of the arguementation put foward by any religious group, much less a main stream christian church and about how the govenment is oppressing you because other organizations do a bette job of fundraising and arguementation then you. And when that sounds pretty empty, well, once again the error is not the weak arguementation, its whatever random emotional excuse you come up with.

You are right about one thing though we have heard this all before, in fact your 'points' are all genaric atheist talking points. They have the exact same substance to support them.

 

Why do you care one way or the other? If someone told you that you wer going to closet with pink fur when you died it would have the same meaning. Or it should, but one atheist afte another seems to take great offense and tnee ar really only two reasons for this.

#1 almost all religions have some concept of etenal consequence whether it be turning into a karmic worm, hades, or hell. Its quite possible that you believe it as well. Deep down you are generally worried about it

#2and in my opinion far more likely is just the result of self worship. You define yourself not through critical self analysis, but through comparison to othrs. Your iwn faults ar eased not through atonement and repentence but by rationalizing awaythrough comparison, as in, "well its not like I am a criminal."

Hell in this circumstance is justa club to beat people down, it is to say that you are betterbecause someone else thinks people go hell even if tney are good and honorablepeople.

Lets get a couple of points straight, even a christian can earn a ticket to hell. Satan is a fallen angle after all. What makes you think we cant get there just as easily? Hell is consequence, nothing more. Nothing less.

Additionally, most atheists are no more moral that the average christian. You remain fundamentally human whether you like it or not. Unlike Christians, you have no moral code no set of standards to look upon for objective comparison of YOUR ACTIONS. Instead, as I have stated, its all comparative, you are not as bad as... Fill in the blank. Is that an honest self assessment?

An honest self assessment is a scary thing, and that is just with the ten commandments. And when you see wher you ar the desired end state, this can be a shaming thing - but shame that can help yo make yourself better.

So, the real question is, why do you think you will wind up in hell? Is it because you are atheist, or because of the unacknowledged and unrepentant wages of sin that condem us all to hell if left unaddressed? A better question, perhaps.

 

The OP lost all credibility when he said Tea Party was the most disliked group in America. That is not possible that a group that helped win an election could be so disliked.

Since the OP started with a lie, the rest is obvious lies so I didn't bother to read it.