10 Myths Many Religious People Hold About Atheists, Debunked

Wolverine, we get it, you don't like religion/spirituality/faith, but you must realize man is the cause of war in all its forms.

 

I have never said I don't like religion, spirituality, or faith.

I suggest reading my posts more closely.

You will find that my objections are towards the faiths that promote violence, hatred, and division amount people.

 

Avery ne reads your posts, and the only person who is not convinced of your intent toward religion and overt animosity toward religious people is you.

Again, let us all know when the vast majority of religious people around you become violent, in fact, let us all know when you actually know something about war and what drives you.

Because all you appear to be doing is calling a bunch of people nit involved in war violent. Contrary to your persona of objectivity, that actually makes you quite malicious. We all see it.

 

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The two are separate.

 

I believe I have backed mine up repeatedly. Unlike the atheist parrots who simply write whatever posts on the atheist propaganda web sites.

Maybe someday you will be able to utilize the critical think skills you claim to posses and actually write, "I do not believe in God because ... something that is actually well thought out and not just verbal poop and propaganda."

The problem for heavily militant atheist such as yoursle is that the objective application of standards rather rapidly reveals the exact same intellectual dual shortcomings found in any other religion ... at which point you have nothingness ng rail and scream against.

Its why most atheists do mot actually study the religions they detest, or they would actually realize how stupid they are when they call the followers of Christs teaching wantonly violent.

Imaginary worlds are interesting, but imagined works where everyone is violent save you? So starkly at odds with reality? Well that is just sad.

Quite frankly such antics indicate too me serious self esteem issues rather than the objectivity and sound rationalizing atheist claim. I am just not sure how you can walk down a street and by churches day after day after day and be so deluded as to thinking that all the people walking past you are ready to explore and cart you off to Alabama to forcibly convert you. Sound terribly logical too me? Still flabbergasted at the nodding headsbif modern atheist that buy into this silly narrative.

 

When some dolt throws facts and rationality to the wind to castigate anyone he mets of different faith in total and deliberate ignorance, that is the person.

Atheism, as you like to remind us, has no doctrine, so it sure as hell isn't atheism itself to drives people to such convoluted ends. Or is it?

Take your pick.

 

I'm sure the stereotypes about atheists are just as poorly based as those about religious folk.

 

I would agree with this. For instance wars have been caused by religion as well as for other reasons. We should oppose both and not try to lay the blame solely on one or the other as that would ignore the problem which is really the starting of wars for any reason.

 

Indeed. Religion has hardly been a sole inspiration for war, rather a means to justify conflicts. In that sense religion cant be compared to atheism, since the latter is not an ideology of justification which the former is, but this does not make religion a definitive cause of social backwardness. In the same way atheism cannot be said to be free from this human tendency simply because such a belief is devoid of base ideological inclinations.

 

Any reasonable person would reject hate and violence.

It does not require an atheist to recognize such things.

 

Another conspiracy theory.

Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to the rhetorical or literary tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.[1] For example, in mystery fiction, where the identity of a criminal is being sought, an innocent party may be purposefully cast in a guilty light by the author through the employment of deceptive clues, false emphasis, "loaded" words or other descriptive tricks of the trade. The reader's suspicions are thus misdirected, allowing the true culprit to go (temporarily at least) undetected. A false protagonist is another example of a red herring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Red Herring is a fallacy, a fallacy you use on a regular basis.

 

Sometimes Gents, wars need to be fought.

There is the old adage that the only thing evil needs to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Please take a gander at Somalia, the Straits of Malacca, or the burgeoning drug war on our Southern Border. With gangs of roaming bandits stealing tourists and killing locals from Somalia, is it wrong for Kenya to be invading Somalia? His about FARC? Is the Columbian government went to use force to suppress what are essentially narcotics terrorists and rapist (look what happened to Mrs. Bentencourt) dressed up as Marxists? Are we wrong to be funneling arms and training to Mexican police and military units while slapping controls on gun shops near the border that feed destabilizing violence in Mexico? Are the united actions of fleets off of Somalia and in the Straits of Malacca doing bad things when they base down pirates?

It would be a nice thing indeed if we could prevent the weak and unstable among is from viewing violence and corruption as a means to self aggrandizement, bit alas the world is what it is.

Ergo we need people or honor and integrity, of sound moral judgement in the service of accountable institutions of government that must be prepared to do what is necessary to defend that which is most precious.

Should we lose that gentlemen, there will be a price for it.

 

Its a fallacy to point out that your claim that christians are violent or that all of Alabama is racist and backward, and that these are based on extreme examples (the biased sample fallacy) and simple stereotyping (simple bigotry)?

Sorry brother but that is the truth.

Most 'christians are not violent, far from it.

Alabama is no more conservative than Ohio, with a robust education system in gliding several universities , and an economic infrastructure tied into the rest of the US. And yes, there are atheists there, and they are not being lynched . Go figure

Oh, but you would rather perceive everything as screwed up rather than take it the way it actually is? Well, that is a personal choice, and it is one based I the emotional need not objective analysis. Pretty simple.

So please control your temper, because losing your mind and tossing banal criticism out like flies is not debate, its just sour grapes.

 

Its a fallacy to point out that your claim that christians are violent or that all of Alabama is racist and backward, and that these are based on extreme examples (the biased sample fallacy) and simple stereotyping (simple bigotry)?

Sorry brother but that is the truth.

Most 'christians are not violent, far from it.

Alabama is no more conservative than Ohio, with a robust education system in gliding several universities , and an economic infrastructure tied into the rest of the US. And yes, there are atheists there, and they are not being lynched . Go figure

Oh, but you would rather perceive everything as screwed up rather than take it the way it actually is? Well, that is a personal choice, and it is one based I the emotional need not objective analysis. Pretty simple.

So please control your temper, because losing your mind and tossing banal criticism out like flies is not debate, its just sour grapes.

 

Find a post were I have said that modern Christians are violent. You won't. In fact I have said that they are not violent because no one takes the inconvenient bits of the Bible literally.

You are incapable of separating beliefs from people, I ma truly sorry you are unable to do so.

 

Really, your little diatribe about Alabama, and your constant clownery about how Christianity causes war. But when someone calls you on it, well, let the excuses fly.

A modicum of integrity is required go debate wolverine. The constant derision of others followed by the shrill dreams of inherent victimhood when called is simply not productive. Rather it is the calling card of troll.

How about you actually make a debate rather just telling everyone how screwed up they are and how perfect you are.

In fact, why not check out #3 in the OP you published, ans then please share with is all how turn antics have not helped to earn atheism is reputation for being pushy, offensive, and rude.

 

You are unable to separate beliefs and people. You are "calling me out" on a strawman, there is little to dodge, and the only reaction is the outright dismissal of your imaginary argument.

It is fairly obvious that no one is killing their unruly child, or stoning homosexuals.

However, the holy book says thats acceptable.

Separate people from beliefs and you will live a longer, happier life.

 

No, you are being called out o the exactly what you said. Its obvious that Christians are not killing and raping people, nor are we hauling you off at gun point to convert you. Yet for some reason, you are thanking providence that you are not in Alabama (because we would obviously beat you there, but not anywhere else) and you are against religion because it causes wars and is being thrust upon you by our government. Only when people attempt to engage you in actual discussion -is well you aren't saying any of those things, or you stick to the standard atheist propaganda line sans even a drop of critical analysis, and then start lashing out at those who take issue with the statements you aren't even making.

And of course, none of this is your fault.

So be it. Atheists why does your religion generate so many hyper critical thin skinned individuals who insist on disparaging all others?

BTW- Please don't offer me life advice from an undefinable religion with no standards, as if anyone who disagrees with deliberate misconceptions of other people faith must be unhappy or unfulfilled. Please see #3the is YOUR op, and remember that offering unsolicited life advice is something atheists hate. Not too mention your made up life advice and problem analysis is little more than projection of excises to avoid looking at the critical errors in your analysis, in short, the problem is not that your statements are wrong, its that everyone who disagrees with you is screwed up. (Its also a logical fallacy known as potions the well. )

Do you understand why theologians classify atheism as self worship yet?


If it isn't you, then what is it?

 

People aren't using the government to force their religion?

Huh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8

 

Agh yes, the constitution apparently bars people of religion from participating in government.

All the atheist law suits and attempts to specifically block federal funding based solely on an organizations faith are nit atheists fousting their beliefs on others.

Yet when religious people use the same tactics in reverse, well suddenly you are oppressed.

Secularism is inclusive, and that means we participate in government as equals. If you wish ti exclude religion from government, try north korea.

If you wish to scream bloody murder every time anyone with a different opinion participates in the democratic process, experience to be treated like the whiney zealot such close minded thinking is based in.

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The inherent problem of self worship is demonstrated by narcissus, he saw himself s perfect and other saw im aa a man in love with himself and blind to his own faults. That is a problem for many modern atheists, who appear absolutely blind to the effects of their actions and studious avid or simply excuse as bigotry any criticism of their position.

 

I've gotta be honest, this debate is entertaining me quite a bit lol.

I think ill stay out of this one.

 

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The Mormon church dumped millions into Proposition 8. A religious organization used the government to force a religious value.

It is still happening in every state that bars gay marriage.

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So, the democratic process is something you hate? The Mormon church singe handedly defeated your point view in a democratic vote by ... what?

Oh they, and by this I mean this on the winning side, spent time raising funds and conducting awarmess campaigns to generate enough consensus to pass a piece of legislation.

In sharp contrast, your side screamed bloody murder, accused the majority of the population of being uneducated dolts out to forcibly convert you, raises no funds, dvd little or no find raising or campaigning and were thus soundly beaten.

But that is not poor form, poor politics, poor consensus generation, its you being the victim of religious oppression.

No need to conduct critical thinking or analysis when you simply label everything that disagrees with you and what YOU want as incoherent, thereby demonstrating your emotional position.

As I stated, if you did not worship the self, you would be able to see the result of continuously bad mouthing religion from deliberate ignorance, but you can't because everything you do is spot on.

I threw this challenge out earlier, pick a project ans generate enough consensus to make head way in our diverse country, see if you the pprciate the constant complainers and nay sayers who can only find fault with others and never offer up solutions to live forward.

Its so much easier to be a victim when things don't go your way. Enjoy the stew.

 

Yeah the Mormons DID spend Millions on it. That is an absolute fact.

 

And where did they get money? Selling brownies or through fund raising, and atheists apparently cannot conduct fur raising in support of their pet project?

Right.

Like I said its easier to be victim.